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[b]Thread: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophoes[/b]
JSteele 9/6/2014 16:33
“..But, today's standards are not equally applied to past practices or teachings of other religions. [b]Singling out [/b]Islam in such a manner is discriminatory and the motives of those who do it can be justifiably questioned.”

JSteele 9/6/2014 16:33
“I really don't know what you expect from the average Muslim. Very few would agree that taking concubines is acceptable. Is your intent to demonstrate to them that they are not properly following their religion? Do you want them to suddenly agree with your that Islam is barbaric and stop being Muslims? ]Do you not understand how insulting your approach is to most people -- Muslim or otherwise?”

JSteele 9/6/2014 20:34
“It looks to me that your only interest is spreading a negative perception of Islam despite the fact that your effort is based on something that is practically unknown among Muslims.”

JSteele 9/6/2014 20:34
“I don't know you are directing this post to me. I have not called you a Christian-Evangelist-Crusader-Racist-Islamophobe. There are a lot of posters in this thread and it's a bit to tell one anonymous poster from another. But, there are clearly posters here who appear primarily committed to spreading negative information about Islam. “

JSteele 9/6/2104 
“I haven't read the entire other thread, just enough to know that I didn't want to waste my time reading it, but as far as I know, many Muslims in America are African American. However, I don't know how many are "converts" as opposed to those born into the religion. I believe conversion was much more common during the 1960s, but I haven't seen any data on this. I don't know how any discussion of the topic would be considered racist unless that was being argued in order to somehow tarnish the religion (eg. "it's only a religion for black people which means it's inferior" and I don't thing that was happening).”
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The top 3 are questioning the right of posters to say things that are different from what you say. The bottom quote is the only one that deals with racism per se, and you tried to mangle it, but Jeff said he *didn't* see racism.  I don't think any of these were addressed to me, although I'm one of the other frequent posters here.

All I can say is... "singling out Islam"? Catholics, other Christians, and Jews are "singled out" EVERY.SINGLE.DAY for abuse on DCUM. I would not be at all surprised if some these Muslim posters don't participate in the abuse of Christians. Would that Jeff expressed similar concern for these other religions. I'm not Catholic, but Catholics are abused here at least once a week. Would that Jeff would jump in, just once, to accuse somebody of "singling out" Catholicism, or to challenge somebody on whether they are trying to "demonstrate to them that they are practicing their religion wrong," or to claim that other posters are "trying to spread negative information about Catholicism."  Again, I'm not Catholic (or evangelical, for that matter).

Also, I disagree that pointing out what eminent scholars say, and what millions of Muslims actually do, is tantamount to "spreading negative information about Islam." I wonder if millions of Muslims who DO practice polygamy, or who think it's OK to kill apostates, think this is simply a cabal spreading "negative" information about them. 95% of the discussion here has involved respectfully suggesting that Muslima and pal are painting a rosy colored (and that's generous) picture. If pointing out alternative views that are held by eminent scholars and millions of practicing muslims is "negative," then somebody has something to hide.[/quote]

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