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There were TWO racist comments made by you and your friend. The first one came from you and pointed out as we were discussing the immigration/conversion/rate of growth issue. You pointed out that the vast majority of Muslims were African Americans and / or from ghettos. Race or economic status was not being discussed, only the growth rate of Islam was. In the heat of the moment, you were quick to point out Muslims' race and economic status though it had no relevance to the discussion. My belief is that it was intended as a criticism, as if to point out that the rapid conversion rate or the rapid growth rate of Islam was offset by the fact that the low quality of people drawn to it. You tried to backpedal by saying you simply brought up race and economic status to show who proselytizers marketed Islam to. You still refused to explain WHY this was relevant. Was it to show Muslim readers that proselytizers' typical target audience is the downtrodden, uneducated black man or woman who isn't intelligent enough to realize when he's being tricked into converting to Islam? Or was it to show Muslim readers that proselytizers' target audience was ghetto folk, who also are relatively uneducated and less likely to be able to escape their clutches? Either way, pointing out Muslim race and socioeconomic status was bad and you knew it.

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I didn't say that at the heat of the moment. My pulse on DCUM never races.  Discussions can veer anywhere they like. It's good that you say "my belief was" because clearly, this is your interpretation of my comment.  If that's what you think, that's your right. Read into it what you wish.  If you want to call ghetto folk "not intelligent enough", that's on you.  Race and status is completely relevant when discussing conversions.  I don't think it's bad, and I will continue doing it. What I think is regrettable is your reluctance to explore this part of your religion's history in the U.S., or to pretend that Muslims in the U.S. consist exclusively of wealthy immigrants.  You're doing exactly what CAIR and their ilk do - disenfranchise the native Muslims and shape the Muslim discourse in America around the interests of the new immigrants rather than actual American Muslims who have been Muslim for generations by now.  Black American Muslims never really had a voice in shaping the American Muslim discourse, and by denying they exist, you continue to deny them the right to be included into the rainbow of Muslim voices.[/quote]

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