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Either shes angry because shes being pressured to convert or she simply hates God and religion. She clearly has an agenda to vilify Islam. I think even Jeff called her out on it.

And somebody who vilifies Islam is an islamophobe.

But lets not digress. Lets stick to the subject of slavery/concubines.[/quote]
I see that you have at least agreed to drop the evangelicalchristiancrusader bit. That's good. Islam is a religion of graduate change, they tell us, perhaps step by step you will lose the rest of your name-calling habit.

My agenda is, quite simply, to correct the rose-tinted version of Islam that you've put on your agenda to present to the rest of the DCUM. [/quote]

You and another PP made racist statements. Muslima was told to go back to her country. You're lucky christiancrusader/evangelical/islamophobe is all I said. I love Islam but I'm not as patient as Muslima with racist attacks.[/quote]
[b]Actually, not that I think Jeff is an authority on the intent of the posters, but he said pointing out that many converts to Islam were African-American isn't really racist.[/b]

You should really read some of Umar Lee's writings.  It may open your eyes on some of your religion's history in the U.S.  I bet you never even knew these Muslims existed.  Reading is a wonderful thing.[/quote]

There were TWO racist comments made by you and your friend. The first one came from you and pointed out as we were discussing the immigration/conversion/rate of growth issue. You pointed out that the vast majority of Muslims were African Americans and / or from ghettos. Race or economic status was not being discussed, only the growth rate of Islam was. In the heat of the moment, you were quick to point out Muslims' race and economic status though it had no relevance to the discussion. My belief is that it was intended as a criticism, as if to point out that the rapid conversion rate or the rapid growth rate of Islam was offset by the fact that the low quality of people drawn to it. You tried to backpedal by saying you simply brought up race and economic status to show who proselytizers marketed Islam to. You still refused to explain WHY this was relevant. Was it to show Muslim readers that proselytizers' typical target audience is the downtrodden, uneducated black man or woman who isn't intelligent enough to realize when he's being tricked into converting to Islam? Or was it to show Muslim readers that proselytizers' target audience was ghetto folk, who also are relatively uneducated and less likely to be able to escape their clutches? Either way, pointing out Muslim race and socioeconomic status was bad and you knew it.

The other racist comment was from your friend, who told Muslima she should move back to her country. She assumed that Muslima could not have been a born  American simply because she was so devout in her faith. Total ignorance.

As for what Jeff said, you can bullshit all you want, but I have a good memory and also the time to show the DCUM audience you waffle between twisting the truth and outright lying. Jeff said plenty to you and your friend about how utterly offensive you were as evidenced by the comments below. He stopped short of saying the African American comments were racist because he hadn't gone back to read every single page of that thread carefully. What he did say was bad enough:

[b]Thread: Be Wary of Racism and Islamophoes[/b]
JSteele 9/6/2014 16:33

“..But, today's standards are not equally applied to past practices or teachings of other religions. [b]Singling out Islam in such a manner is discriminatory and the motives of those who do it can be justifiably questioned.”[/b]

JSteele 9/6/2014 16:33

“I really don't know what you expect from the average Muslim. Very few would agree that taking concubines is acceptable. Is your intent to demonstrate to them that they are not properly following their religion? Do you want them to suddenly agree with your that Islam is barbaric and stop being Muslims? [b]Do you not understand how insulting your approach is to most people -- Muslim or otherwise?”[/b]

JSteele 9/6/2014 20:34

“It looks to me that [b]your only interest is spreading a negative perception of Islam [/b]despite the fact that your effort is based on something that is practically unknown among Muslims.”

JSteele 9/6/2014 20:34

“I don't know you are directing this post to me. I have not called you a Christian-Evangelist-Crusader-Racist-Islamophobe. There are a lot of posters in this thread and it's a bit to tell one anonymous poster from another. But, [b]there are clearly posters here who appear primarily committed to spreading negative information about Islam[/b]. “

JSteele 9/6/2104

“[b]I haven't read the entire other thread[/b], just enough to know that I didn't want to waste my time reading it, but as far as I know, many Muslims in America are African American. However, I don't know how many are "converts" as opposed to those born into the religion. I believe conversion was much more common during the 1960s, but I haven't seen any data on this. [b]I don't know how any discussion of the topic would be considered racist unless that was being argued in order to somehow tarnish the religion (eg. "it's only a religion for black people which means it's inferior" and I don't thing that was happening[/b]).”

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