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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.[/quote]

OMG, there is nothing unique about their situation. The only thing unique about it is that they cannot tolerate living with, beside or in another country -- Israel. Can you imagine if people behaved this way when Pakistan was created, or any of the other countries that were created or dissolved in just the last 100 years? It's a ridiculous argument.[/quote]

For the Pakistan situation to be equivalent, the British would have had to promise the same land to the Hindus and Pakistanis.  Then they would have had to divide the land up so that Muslims got half, and Hindus got half, despite the fact that Hindus outnumbered Muslims 10:1.  This would have required the displacement of about 390 million Hindus from their homes instead of the modest 7 million Hindus.

So even given the more equitable division of India, they still had four wars:  47, 65, 71 and 99.  They had decades of communal riots.  Mahatma Gahndi was assassinated, and so was Indira Gandhi.  Again to make the situation comparable today, India would be occupying Pakistan and Bangladesh.  They would strictly control the goods and people going into and out of these two countries.  And if Pakistanis did so much as throw rocks in protest, they would be considered terrorists.[/quote]

Why does it have to be equivalent to be relevant? The point is that borders are not set in stone. Countries have come and gone throughout history. Being displaced is nothing new. I don't know how anyone Americans can see it otherwise, since -- as I've said in other threads -- this country is built on the hard work of the displaced. Most people here have roots somewhere else, no?[/quote]

Does it make it right? We have to be better than History, we don't go around repeating slavery, segregation, holocaust, colonialism on the basis that that's how things were done before. We learn from our mistakes, we grow to be civilized people and once we know better we do better.  Occupation, Colonization, Holocaust, you name in, in all cases, they tend to work out badly for everyone involved, whether you get classed as 'us' or 'them'.[/quote]

You're missing my point -- which is that the millions (countless really) of people throughout history who have been displaced and whose countries have been redefined under their feet have not resorted to endless terrorism and war as a response to that. But [b]you are using it to justify violence[/b] against Israel that will never end, which in turn means the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians, including children. That is an insane response IMO.[/quote]
And you're using it to justify land grabs and endless subjugation of one people by another!  Why SHOULD violence against Israel end when it never admitted any wrongdoing toward the Palestinians? When respected historians in Israel can casually say things like, yes, we expelled half a million Palestinians but it was necessary for the creation of the Jewish state so it was OK for them to be expelled, it was for a good cause.  Can you imagine ANY other country saying it? Justifying it?[/quote]

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