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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Actually, the American perspective is that talent and hard-work should be rewarded. That's why so many people from other countries come here.[/quote]

Americans today don't  follow this perspective. School is play time. College is drinking and frat time. People come here from other countries because there is less competition (Americans are uneducated), lower taxes, and less government intrusion/instability.

Asians and [b]Indians [/b]educated in their home countries must work hard. The population and competition is much higher. There is a cultural expectation that children and young adults will work hard and achieve not find themselves while spending 7 years to get an english or education major while their parents support them. [/quote]

Then why do Indians score so horribly on international educational assessment tests like the PISA? [/quote]

Specifically, India was 73rd out of 74 countries in the 2009 PISA.  They did beat Kyrgyztan, so that's something I guess.  Please tell us more about this wondrous educational system they have there where everybody works hard and achieves.[/quote]

You may be right. Education is not accessible to many poor children in India, and many more children only get a rudimentary education that enables them to read and write.  However, if you compare any child being educated in major metropolitan cities of India - the standard is extremely high.

But why talk about all the kids in India? Let's talk about the Indian kids who are here...they are doing exceedingly well. They come from intact families, their parents are successful and engaged with them, their college will be paid for (in most cases) and they will excel in school.

When given the same opportunities in MCPS that is available to all students in MoCo (including children of your race) - Indians (and Asians) are doing better.

Maybe it is their genes and superior brains because as you pointed out India is low down in PISA.

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[b]Asians in the US outscore Asians in every county in the world on international tests.
Whites in the US are very near the top when compared to white kids in europe/canada etc. on international tests.
Hispanics in the US outscore every majority Hispanic country in the world on international tests.[/b]

Clearly the educational system here sucks and is grossly inferior to the educational system in the rest of the world.

WRT the performance of Indians and Asians in MoCo (who I agree are doing very well), do you believe that they're a representative sampling of the countries they're from?  We both know the answer to that.  I work in IT, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Asian and Indian kids in MoCo are significantly smarter than average; I know their parents are.   But that wasn't really my point; my point is that the educational system in the US isn't nearly as bad as most people want to make it out to be.

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?  Where did you get this from?[/quote]

Read this: http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/12/amazing-truth-about-pisa-scores-usa.html

Obviously not definitive, but the same analysis has been done elsewhere and reached the same conclusion.  From the posting:

The mean score of Americans with European ancestry is 524, compared to 506 in Europe, when first and second generation immigrants are excluded.

For Asian-American students (remember this includes Vietnam, Thailand and other less developed countries outside Northeast Asia), the mean PISA score is 534, same as 533 for the average of Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong.[/quote]

That is a very interesting perspective.  Don't  know how accurate it is since it's just a blogspot, but I guess if you consider the fact that the US has one of the most diverse and largest immigrant populations (especially compared to Asian countries), that could factor into the lower test scores.   And yes, Australia and Canada have a much more stringent immigration policy (language + skills), so again, even with their relatively high immigrant population one could see why their test scores aren't as bad as the US.
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