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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]The riots were about criminal elements defending their territory from the police. The were certainly not about entrance exams being too hard.

Yes, Arab immigrants as a group are not equally competitive, but as individuals they are. There are many examples of Arab immigrants having great success in France. You are espousing a twisted American idea that every arbitrarily defined group is supposed to be "represented" at every institution in direct proportion to its presence in the population. If they are not, the someone is to blame and something needs to be "fixed".

And as a matter fact, systems that track kids do in fact result in more equal societies. Not because of tracking itself, but because they are more equal, period. They might not be as equal in terms of distributing worthless diplomas but that's because they allocate their resources more prudently. A vast majority of people have no use of college education, none. The time of those who do not beong to college is better spent learning jobs they will actually perform.[/quote]

This is exactly the attitude that Americans reject.  We realize that institutional failures can be responsible for differential performance among groups.  I think it is foolish to think that arab immigrants are not disenfranchised in French society.  America has a lot of issues with equality in our society, but we recognize that not everyone fits the mold and that the ability that you test in at the middle school level can have a lot to do with the circumstances with which you were brought up, not your innate talents.[/quote]

If "not everyone fits the mold" then why does everyone need to go to the same HS tailored toward preparing students for college and college itself? All you end up is one college graduate with 200k of debt competing against another college graduate with the same debt for an admin assistant position. There are only so many places at the top, especially in the USA. The system is simply pushing and postponing sorting that will always happen at some point - everyone is just paying more and wasting more time to remain in the same place. It is Americans who do not appreciate diversity of choices and are trying, pointlessly, to put everyone into the same mold.[/quote]

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