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Ok, and your point is? because KSA i guess is the Muslim epitome?  
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My point is that you said you never met a Muslim woman who needed her husband's permission to get a job, and I told you where you can find them.  The fact you never met someone is not proof they don't exist.

[quote]I think I have responded to that on my earlier post, please refer to that- We do not believe on alimony i have already discussed that. I am a woman and i don't believe a man should take care of me for the rest of my life because we were married, now shoot me! Oh and no he can't send her out of the door, the rule says the wife stays in the house after the divorce for 3 months ( I guess to figure out what she is going to do next). Trust me in practical terms, this doesn't happen, I left the day i wanted a divorce ( my choice) and I never asked for 3 months alimony (my choice)[/quote]
You didn't respond to that - you keep interchanging dividing assets with alimony, I guess in hopes of confusing people? In that case, let me do what IRS does - make up little stories.

John and Janice decide to marry. They also decide that Janice will stay home to take care of the home and raise their children, while John will be a breadwinner. John does well in his job and twenty years later they have a nice house in McLean, an apartment in downtown Washington, and $900,000 in pension funds.  The next day, John decides he no longer wants to be married.

What happens to Janice? She gets a broken heart, half the house, half the apartment and half the pension.

A street over on the same day, Yusef and Asmaa decide to marry.  They agree Asmaa will stay home to take care of the home and raise their children, while Yusef will be a breadwinner. Yusef does well in his job, and twenty years later they have a nice house in McLean, an apartment in downtown Washington, and $900,000 in pension funds. The next day, Yusef decides he no longer wants to be married.

What happens to Asmaa? She gets a broken heart, she gets to live in Yusef's house for three more months, and then she has to leave. Yusef keeps the house, the apartment, and the pension.  And there's a lady on DCUM who says that's exactly how it should be.  And no, she doesn't get to stay there for three more months to figure out what to do next.  She gets to stay there for three more months so that Yusef can decide if he *really* wants to divorce her.  Asmaa's feelings? They aren't really a part of this conversation.

[quote]Again, refer to my previous post about this- Yes, the woman is required to return the dowry if she wants a divorce and the husband refuses the divorce, he is entitled to get the dowry back if he ASKS for it. Which in practical terms again never happens, I did not return my dowry and was never asked to and  I initiated my divorce  :lol: [/quote]
There you are with the "never" thing again, I guess you have knowledge of every thing that ever passed on the face of the Earth? Oh, and of course you didn't get alimony. Duh. It's not your choice.  Alimony - the whole supergenerous 3 months of it - is not due to women who initiate divorces.  It's touching your husband didn't ask for his dowry back, but what individual Muslims do is not the point, what shariah dictates is the point, and shariah says if he wants his dowry back, he can have it, and he also doesn't have to agree to release you - his consent is required if you want to divorce him, but he doesn't need your consent to divorce you.

And dial it down with the exclamation marks, your passion is not an argument.
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