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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am not in any way trivializing female mutilation, but suggesting that you consider it in the same way as male mutilation. Here's another article that I suggest you read in its entirety. I used to agree with you until I read up more and better understood the cultural background behind female circumcision and realized that it is very similar to cutting boys. http://joseph4gi.blogspot.com/2011/06/circumcision-is-child-abuse-picture.html [/quote] Why exactly would I consider slicing off the labia and clitoris, often followed by sewing up the vaginal opening the same as removing a foreskin on a penis? Explain that to me. I'm not talking about the cultural background - at all. I'm talking about the severity of the procedure that you are trivializing. Seriously, Google some images of circumcised girls and and then get back to me. Aside from the horror of seeing a mutilated vulva and the blood that goes with removing the flesh of the labia, you'll also note that FGM is typically performed on girls older than 5 (markedly different than male circumcision in most cultures). Study it - no not just reading a few anti male circumcision articles. But study FGM and then maybe you'll realize how A) insanely offensive the comparison is between male circumcision and FGM and B) how devastating FGM can be for a woman's health, never mind her sexuality (unlike male circumcision). There is NO comparison. Or, to put it another way, to say that there is similarities is to compare a cut to an amputation.[/quote] Again, please read this: http://joseph4gi.blogspot.com/2011/06/circumcision-is-child-abuse-picture.html I think you will find it enlightening. When you've read it I'd be very interested to hear your views.[/quote] Again, you fail to explain how exactly the two procedures compare beyond their cultural roots. Stop referring me to some blog and speak for yourself. I am very curious how you can legitimately compare the two in terms of the devastation and danger they present. You don't seem well informed about FGM and how dangerous and detrimental it is to women's health - it's not even comparable to male circumcision. [/quote] 14:15 stop trying to reason with this nut. She wants to believe that removing a flap of foreskin is the same thing as slicing off a labia and clitoris, fine. She thinks that the millions of girls who, aside from the physical and emotional trauma of circumcision (usually performed without any anesthetic) then face increased risk of HIV, increased danger of death in childbirth, increased risk of UTIs and vaginal infections, not to mention complete eradication of their erogenous zones suffer in the same way as a newborn having his foreskin removed, fine. Don't bother with this nutter. These type of people don't care about facts. They are hysterics. And their whacky reasoning is hysterical, though simultaneously disturbing.[/quote] You are name calling, which does not help your case. Worse, you are completely sticking your head in the sand about this issue. I cannot fathom why you are unwilling to 1) learn about the deaths that occur, yes in the US and yes every year, from routine male infant circumcision and 2) learn about the types of female genital mutilation that are in fact LESS invasive and LESS harmful than what we do to boys. Yet, they are still outlawed here in the US. I will ask you this: are you opposed to a family imposing what is commonly known as a "ritual nick" (ie, not removing anything at all and not causing any permanent damage) on a baby girl's labia? Why or why not?[/quote]
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