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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]My job as an attorney is uniquely unsuitable for AI, so I really never use it at work. [/b]

I use it occasionally to provide high level overviews of non-work topics. One of my kids has recurrent ear infections, so recently I asked Claude to give me an idea of the likely options will we have before his ENT appointment in a few weeks. [/quote]

I'm an attorney as well and there are things AI can help you with. What kind of law do you practice?

I will often get incorrect or incomplete answers if I ask specific questions, but if you go in expecting that and push back it can be useful.

One thing it's great at is document review, for example.[/quote]

I’m a prosecutor. Most of my job is conducting grand jury investigations. [b]Grand jury materials, which include basically anything we receive pursuant to a subpoena, cannot go into AI.[/b][/quote]

Wrong.

All your employer need do is to create a confidential AI system closed off to the outside.

They can easily make it secure, like our banking systems are. [/quote]

I’m not wrong. It is my employer’s policy that grand jury materials cannot go into AI. [/quote]

That is a result of your employer's policy, though, not because it is not possible to make secure and confidential closed AI systems to input the information.  If you trust your banking data and your health data to be online (or accept that it is online, at least), then there is no good reason why legal materials can't be online too.  It is only a matter of time. [/quote]

Maybe. There's still an open question about how Rule 6(e) applies here. You're oversimplifying, likely because you're not familiar with grand jury practice. [/quote]

You're correct, I am not, so I am sure there are nuances that I am totally ignorant to.  But if we can manage to use AI despite strict HIPAA laws, of which I am very familiar, I would bet we'd be able to use it for grand jury information, we just need to wait for bureaucracy to catch up with things. [/quote]

I understand the Rule 6(e) concern, and I am not saying anyone should put grand jury material into ChatGPT or some public AI tool. That would obviously be reckless and probably prohibited by policy.

But I think people are confusing "public AI tools are not approved for this" with "AI can never be used for this." Those are very different claims.

The future version is not a prosecutor uploading grand jury materials into a consumer chatbot. The future version is a closed, government controlled AI environment, hosted in something like Azure Government, AWS GovCloud, or another approved secure environment, with no training on the data, no external disclosure, strict access controls, audit logs, retention rules, and use limited to authorized personnel performing official duties.

That is not some fantasy. Government already uses secure cloud systems for highly sensitive workloads, including health data, law enforcement data, financial data, and even classified workloads. So the issue is not whether AI can be made secure. It can. The issue is whether the agency has approved the system, written the policy, and structured the use correctly under Rule 6(e).

And the use case is not "AI replaces the prosecutor." The use case is AI as a force multiplier. It reviews subpoena returns, organizes records, builds timelines, flags inconsistencies, compares witness statements, finds missing documents, drafts witness outlines, and lets the prosecutor ask questions across a massive case file. The attorney still verifies everything, makes the legal judgments, controls the investigation, and decides what is presented.

That is where agents become the real multiplier. You could have one agent reviewing bank records, another organizing phone records, another summarizing subpoena returns, another checking witness statements against documents, another building timelines, another preparing issue lists, and another checking for gaps or contradictions. The prosecutor becomes the person directing and validating a team of AI assistants instead of manually grinding through every document the old way.

That is why I think this is inevitable. The current manual process is not some sacred legal principle. It is just the way things have been done because the tooling did not exist yet or was not approved yet. Once secure, compliant AI systems are adopted, attorneys who know how to use them will be able to handle far more evidence and far more cases than attorneys who refuse to learn the tools.

So yes, today your employer’s policy may prohibit it. That is completely fair. But long term, the answer is not "AI cannot work here." The answer is "we need a properly approved, closed, auditable AI system." And once that exists, the people still doing everything manually are going to be at a major disadvantage.
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I never said “AI can never be used for this.” You (or rather, whatever AI spit out this response) are arguing with a straw man. I spend a lot of time looking for patterns in bank and other financial records and it would be great to have AI help with that.

You keep emphasizing security, but that’s not what Rule 6 is concerned with. Rule 6 isn’t HIPAA - it isn’t about secure storage of information. It is about maintaining the “black box” nature of the grand jury. It isn’t just the substance of the materials that matters; it is the fact that the government subpoenaed them in the first place.[/quote]

You're totally missing the point. If you're using closed source AI on your computer IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. You aren't storing it on any open platform. You can absolutely use a secure AI tool for your work and in fact you should be doing just that for your research. I would in a similar field and we use AI all the time to find information contained in large volumes of sensitive data.[/quote]

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