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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My child will be going to UVA. Got rejected from Ivies. What are we missing by not going to Ivies for pre-med. Outside of pre-med, do Ivies and other top schools create employers and other schools create employees[/quote] UVA is an excellent school. Here is the perspective from advising many premeds at UVA, Ivy/T10 as well as schools quite a bit below UVA. I am in a group consulting service for med school admissions and myself and other members have served on T5 med admissions as well as mid-range med school admissions. The most important factors are BCPM GPA in the context of the undergrad(reputation as well as peer quality) plus the MCAT. The extra funded opportunities that Ivy/T10 often have are not that important for admissions though they do help make the students' lives easier. Examples are more undergrad research funding, more spots for research based on fewer students competing for spots, and many ivy-level schools guarantee a research spot somewhere for all undergrads who want one. The ones with hospitals on or near campus have additional programs with less competition than one finds at UVA. However these are small factors compared to GPA and MCAT. Ivies/T10 for pre-med are only the right choice if your student would likely be top half among premeds there, roughly equivalent to 1510+ (based on test required pre and post covid data) and received AP scores of 5s on almost all STEM AP. Since you mentioned your student was rejected not waitlisted at ivies, he or she may not have been a top-half student there, even if they had gotten in. You would know better than us. For the sake of argument let's say they are a 1460-1480 kid with a mix of 3-4-5 on STEM AP. They have the goods to get into Medical school and should be able to be close to top quarter at UVA, or 3.75+ for the STEM GPA--the BCPM or stem GPA is the one that counts-- making it highly likely they get in to at least one MD program in the USA, as they should be able to get above 510 on the MCAT with that SAT and the known rigorous UVA curriculum. At an ivy-level school that same student might do poorly (straight Bs in STEM, which is below average for most ivy/T10), considering the average premed at T10/ivy gets a 516-518. It is hard to get into med school with a 3.0 to 3.3 STEM(BCPM) GPA even with a 510 MCAT, though at an ivy the overall GPA could be a respectable 3.6 due to easy A in other classes. The BCPM is what counts. Ivies curve to a median of B+ for the basics(chem, O-chem, calc, physics) and usually upper level sciences to A-. There is not weed-out per se at ivies but having a 3.0-3.3 BCPM GPA after the first two years means multiple gap years likely with a masters program will be needed to boost the GPA to have a chance. Even from a competitive environment like an ivy, which med schools call "Tier 1" schools, a 3.0-3.3 BCPM is a no-go. TL; DR Bloom where you are planted! Go and make the most of UVA! [/quote]
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