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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]UVA is ivy in others eyes, even though may not be in tier 1.

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1. The Ivy League is an athletic conference, nothing more.
2. The top SLACs are better at undergraduate education than any Ivy for most subjects.
3. Strong public’s are their equals and often superior for technical education.
4. UVA is a top school but none of the Public schools are the equal to any of the top schools in either of the above categories.
[b]4. You can get to any medical school from any of the above by working hard and taking advantage of what they offer.[/b]

Focus in where your kid is, not where they aren't. If they do the work they will be fine.[/quote]

I don't like all the ivy worship either but it is more than an athletic conference[/quote]

It’s not. People who don’t know any better perceive it as something more than it is while others who do know better play along because it suits their interests. The 8 schools are quite different from one another and absolutely are not the top 8 R1s in the country by any objective measure. When you see applicants shotgunning the Ivies they are not looking for superior education but rather hunting for prestige. It is a truly banal exercise among some groups.

My first three points above (edited) hold. [/quote]

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I don't think it's reasonable to say it's just an athletic conference.

Perfectly reasonable given that is exactly what it is and that is was the intent when it was created. The fact that some have tried to morph it into something else is irrelevant.

[b]That prestige you mention isn't an illusion.[/b]

It is not an illusion. But it is a byproduct of the schools involved and changes in the college admissions process. In the case of some of the schools in the conference it is not neither earned nor deserved.

[b]There are some industries that will recruit from Ivy at way higher rates than from UC San Francisco[/b]

UC San Francisco is a medical school and not pertinent to the conversation but I understand where you are going. But, it is a good place to go.

It is true that the Ivies get recruiting preferences in some fields (IB, MBB particularly) but there are other schools with similar or greater pull than individual Ivies in each category. The top NESCAC schools place better into IB than half of the Ivies. Similar trends hold (top NESCAC and others) for med school and Law school as well. There is another set of schools (some public) ahead of various Ivy members for engineering and CS as well. HYP are considered universally excellent and part of any 'top 10' list but the other 5 float among 15 or so schools.

[b]The Ivies have more Nobel prize winning professors than any other group of schools[/b]

Not a particularly useful metric to measure groups of schools. The prizes are again concentrated in mainly three of the eight schools and there are many other schools which outperform many of the ivies. This should not be a surprise given that the Ivy league was formed to align athletics within a regional group of elite colleges, not create a grouping of the 'best' colleges.

[b]The Ivies combined have a larger collective endowment than any other group of schools[/b]

Another not very useful metric, schools do not pool their endowments.  But, this is another metric which demonstrates the variation among the Ivies. When measured by endowment per student only 4 of the Ivy schools make the top 20 and looking at overall endowments Brown and Cornell badly lag the others.

[b]What groups are engaging in the banal exercise of pursuing ivy?[/b]

You already know the answer.[/quote]

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