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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]UVA is ivy in others eyes, even though may not be in tier 1.

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1. The Ivy League is an athletic conference, nothing more.
2. The top SLACs are better at undergraduate education than any Ivy for most subjects.
3. Strong public’s are their equals and often superior for technical education.
4. UVA is a top school but none of the Public schools are the equal to any of the top schools in either of the above categories.
[b]4. You can get to any medical school from any of the above by working hard and taking advantage of what they offer.[/b]

Focus in where your kid is, not where they aren't. If they do the work they will be fine.[/quote]

I don't like all the ivy worship either but it is more than an athletic conference[/quote]

It’s not. People who don’t know any better perceive it as something more than it is while others who do know better play along because it suits their interests. The 8 schools are quite different from one another and absolutely are not the top 8 R1s in the country by any objective measure. When you see applicants shotgunning the Ivies they are not looking for superior education but rather hunting for prestige. It is a truly banal exercise among some groups.

My first three points above (edited) hold. [/quote]

I don't think it's reasonable to say it's just an athletic conference.

That prestige you mention isn't an illusion.
There are some industries that will recruit from Ivy at way higher rates than from UC San Francisco
The Ivies have more nobel prize winning professors than any other group of schools
The Ivies combined have a larger collective endowment than any other group of schools

What groups are engaging in the banal exercise of pursuing ivy?[/quote]

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