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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

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lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel. [/quote]

PP you replied to. I don't think so. I am French, and we deal with the legacy of WWII and the Holocaust in a way Americans cannot understand. I don't think the EU will abandon Israel anytime soon. [/quote]

I agree- culturally Isreal is part of europe and there are strong ties, nor should Isreal be abandoned. However- the mass migration is changing europe and Europeans are reacting to it in very strange ways, culturally.  The current Israeli government is on course to do a LOT of harm so it needs to be reined in to a more liberal, less reactionary government b/c the wars in the Middle East are causing massive amounts of migration. these migrants are running from what they perceive as certain death to a 25% chance of death by drowning, the desperation is very real and you aren't going to be able to keep the refugees in banlieue forever with no consequences. young French people there as well. there are plenty of younger people who also either sympathize with the Muslim population and are ok with them staying or recognize that the wars are what is driving them so must stop. Look at the AFD- they are against the war with Iran not b/c they care about Iran but b/c they dont want Iranian refugees.  The truth is that if these nations are allowed to flourish and build up economically- remigration will happen naturally.

think about the Lebanese- they think they are French, but if Beirut was safe and glorious the way to was pre-1970's. so many of them would go back to Lebanon and out of Paris. at most they would "divide' their time and still run Universal Bouly but  1/2 of the  Lebanese cafes dotted all over Paris would disappear-- many of them would go back. they are in France b/c of Isreal.  [/quote]

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