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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Gas ICE cars are horribly inefficient. Even with the best modern tech, ICE waste most energy in gasoline as heat.  It's simply the laws of thermodynamics.   Iir, something like 35% of the energy in gas is used to move the vehicle. 65% of the money you spend on gas is wasted.

Contrast that to EVs. Electric is so much more efficient.  The majority of the energy in batteries is used for actual motion of the car..[/quote]

You are comparing apples to oranges. The ICE vehicle is an energy conversion machine, whereas the EV is a post-energy conversion machine.

If you are charging the EV with solar, you are only going to capture about 30% of the raw energy that hits the panel (theoretical limit of energy that solar can capture is about 35% —of course the sun is so abundant that this inefficiency can be lived with).  If you are charging with natural gas-derived electricity, depending on the technology, you are going to lose anywhere from 40 to 70% of the energy you started with in the natural gas molecule converting it to electricity (you’ll lose more in transmission). Coal will be worse. And we haven’t even talked about the 5-20% energy loss in the battery charging process.

If you normalize it, you’ll find that both electric and ICE are pretty inefficient. 
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Your comparison is specious. Solar power is passive. The sun’s energy exists no matter what happen. Fossil fuels are buried, have to extract and refined before use. When they are used they lose 80% of the energy in thermal loss.

ICE and EV vehicles are the same. Energy is put the tank or the battery and used. There is no energy conversion machine or post energy machine. EVs are highly efficient while the burning fossil fuels are not.

Let’s look at a larger level. Fossil fuel economies lose 5-7% of GDP because they paid for energy that is wasted. The future will be divided in to economies that are electrified and those that are not. Look at Australia. Australia has increased their electricity grid capacity by 7.5% in 2024 and 7% in 2025 and reduced wholesale electricity price by 64%. They are actually attractive data centers because energy is so cheap.

Business are quickly electrifying every process they can because they save money- heat pumps for heating and cooling, fleet vehicles, industrial heating and cooling, etc. The proof is in the investments. 2/3 of the world’s energy investment is now in future renewables(mostly solar) projects and the rest is split among fossil fuels. Why do you think the major oil companies are actively working against Trump’s bans on wind power. They are the invest in it.

So carry with your crazy talk. The money is dictating what will happen not your political talking points. [/quote]

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