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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP. Some real all-or-nothing thinking I’m this thread. Yes, every person with power (White House, etc) will face some moral compromises and interact with some shady people.

Not everyone will accepts gifts from and cozy up to pedophiles. Which is why there are plenty of elites and billionaires who do not appear in these files.

Agree with a PP that saying “everyone does it” (when the “it” is being literal besties with a notorious pedophile) is itself a form of enabling. [/quote]
Another one with conceptual thinking deficits. The principle you should have distilled isn't "everyone does it." Rather, it's to understand that the system of power we have is extremely corrupt and you must stop stupidly putting faith in the cover stories and mythologies with which these people explain their rise and cover their tracks. We, the People, cannot perform our watchdog function and hold power to count when we are so credulous. An investigation of EVERYONE in key positions throughout every administration in which Epstein operated is the least we should be demanding here. In a different country of people who hadn't internalized the falsehood that the powerful are heroes to be idolized, a government-wide investigation, along with investigation of private actors who were utilizing the revolving door throughout, would be already underway.

You're not doing anything special sitting around knowing that a literal cabal of pedophiles operated in this country for decades and then waiting for random unredacted names to leak so you can gasp and virtue signal with how shocked you are. [/quote]

Respectfully, I think you think I’m more naive than I am. And somehow that you uniquely in this thread have the proverbial eyes to see.

But there are a lot of elite names that do not appear in these files. And obviously there are plenty that do. This thread is about the difference between those two categories of elites. [/quote]
PP here. No, you're trying to create a conversation about the false dichotomy you have fabricated between people who are currently named and people who have not yet been exposed. You're pretending that the former are the only culpable parties while the latter are somehow innocent. Ask yourself why.

As I just pointed it out in a previous post, anyone paying attention right now is fully aware that the evidence in the public sphere is a mere fraction of the evidence that exists and the latter is a mere fraction of the evidence that once existed but was destroyed.

People like you, who like to place disproportionate focus on discrete individuals to obscure the reality of a literal pedophile cabal that either comprised or compromised virtually everyone in power over multiple decades, are part of the problem. You're sitting here exonerating people whom common sense should tell you were likely part of this or looked the other way at the very least, and then you're pretending this is some kind of attempt to hold people accountable? You're a clown.[/quote]

The PP isn’t a clown. The PP is a wealthy person in the 2% afraid of the backlash when the other 98% of the population realize that the 2% is made up of deeply evil people. Ironically the attempt to manipulate the truth just shows that the PP is also in the deeply evil category. [/quote]

I’m the PP, and you are incorrect about who I am.

Let me ask this: for those who are saying there’s no meaningful difference between those who appear (and you are correct to qualify this as “in the files that we have seen”), what process are you advocating, exactly? In your mind/s, what does accountability look like, and where does it begin? [/quote]
I'm the PP who keeps posting about the systemic rot. I have a suggestion. Not that it's ever, ever, ever going to happen in America, but something along the lines of the Nuremberg trials crossed with South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission is needed here.

(Although even those tribunals were highly compromised and not allowed to look too far lest they expose too much. For instance, the number of high-level Nazis that the American government hired in places like NASA, for instance, was not allowed to be mentioned or even touched upon during the Nuremberg trials.)

A [i]systemic[/i] years long effort to clean up at least some of this mess by demanding everyone in power in that given time testify under oath is necessary. The carrot will be the same as that of South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission: That those, except the highest level of perpetrators, who come clean and expose everything publicly will be allowed to move on with their lives. I hate to see evildoers go unpunished, but it's going to take granting immunity to some level of evildoers -- the legal fixers, PR people, staff, and other enablers, but not the rapists, murderers, or traffickers -- to make sure that the worst ones are exposed and the whole system of corruption is weakened. Notice I say weakened because that is the most we can aspire to here IMO.

All of this is better than what we're currently seeing. [b]Americans are letting the most powerful actors, who orchestrated the scheme with Epstein, leak the names of easy scapegoats to create the appearance of justice being done and to direct attention away from the system that is STILL operating.[/b][/quote]

Nailed it.[/quote]

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