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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm a woman, and I know many women who have extremely misogynist views but claim to be feminist. They are often openly very critical of other women for not conforming to beauty expectations, judge the worth of other women by looks, their husband's income, and material goods.

Most of them are college educated, liberal (I am also liberal), and UMC.

Their feminism is mostly performative. I do think they genuinely care about abortion rights for all women. But beyond that, they mostly want privileges for themselves, which they will call feminism, and don't think much about how women in general fare in the world. They might *say* they care, but they don't.

The part that bothers me the most is the willingness to exploit the cheap labor of poor and immigrant women in order to realize their career goals or "egalitarian" marriages. They will rely on this labor to care for their children, clean their homes, etc. Their husbands of course also consider themselves feminists, as they rely on a small army of other women to do all the caretaking. Sometimes their mothers also perform some of this work (almost never fathers).

If you ask them questions about this set up, they get mad. But they fervently believe they are feminists. It's fascinating.[/quote]

I don't see how hiring paid nannies and cleaning staff for the household is exploitation. Seems like you are Marxist or something, not a feminist[/quote]

You missed her point. She’s saying these women are holding themselves up as women’s rights activists while relying on other women to maintain an illusion of equality in their marriage, that only comes as the expense of other women’s labor.

To that PP however, I’d say this isn’t fake feminism, but more an absorption of the unavoidable patriarchy they find themselves in. They wouldn’t be looking for extra help if their husbands actually stepped up, but they don’t. They pick the kids up from travel sports 1/2 the time and occasionally clean the kitchen and furtively glance around waiting for audible praise (and often getting it) while they do either.

Tldr; I agree that these women exploit other women. But blaming them misses the point of who is pulling the levers here: men. [/quote]

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