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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I agree with you OP. But I’ve also been surprised by the downfalls of the men I thought would be the ones to escape this fate. The ones who are excelling at their careers and seem to not let that affect their ability to participate in family life all suddenly crashed in their mid to late 40s. They either blew up their career, fell into addiction, or blew up their families with affairs. These are husbands I was envious of, and they’ve turned out to be just as mediocre as the others except they did it on a delay and in a more sudden and spectacular fashion.

I have a DD but I look at my nephews and I worry because I don’t have good ideas about how to help raise them in a different way.[/quote]

That’s weird. The ones we saw crash & burn where it the ones who were great at their careers AND their family life, but the ones who avoided family life and only made public appearances. But it was clear they didn’t know their kids’ schedule, or friend group, or even what their kid liked to eat. Those crash and burned, in many cases just checked out even more until their affair or mental decline started or their wives divorced them. [/quote]

I posted earlier that my career soared while my husband’s fizzled. He absolutely put tons of time into our kids and home, and even more now.

some men have more limited hobbies but this forum shows why - think about what posts look like when a wife comes on here complaining that her husband is not spending enough time at home because of his hobbies. Hobbies require time away.  I know plenty of high earning women with kids who don’t do much outside of that.

As for conversation, at some point, if you think all the men around you are boring maybe you’re not that great at
conversation yourself. [/quote]

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