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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST :-)

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed. 
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That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners. [/quote]

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.[/quote]

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. [b]Today they are usually pitts.[/b] Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal. [/quote]

This isn't true. There's a crazy diversity of dogs, and far more people are likely to own them than they did "back in our day". The quality of ownership has gone WAY down. People feel entitled to have a dog, justify horrible handling in the name of crazy shit like "emotional support animals", and regularly break the laws that are designed to keep public spaces safe for the entirety of the public. [/quote]

Exactly what laws are being broken or not broken that would justify having a dog that can easily kill another as a pet?

I just think you’re far too focused on ‘good owners’. I don’t even know what that means. [/quote]
Lady with the rescue street pit here. I fully recognize that [b]if my dog were vicious he could absolutely eviscerate a person[/b]. He’s powerful and strong in ways I didn’t realize dogs could be as I only had toy breeds in the past. The same can’t be said of a small dog. If he wants to bite or knock someone over he can and he’s only 65 pounds but it’s all muscle. Fortunately he is a great dog and I did get him a trainer when I knew he’d be staying. Responsible breeding (and personally I think this breed should be eliminated due to their treatment and mishandling) and pet ownership is a must. [/quote]

Eliminate an entire category of dogs instead of eliminating the stupidity of some owners? Nuclear approach. And where are you going to draw that line? An aggressive shepherd, akita, rottie, dobie, bernard, LSD/Maremma, pyrenees, anatolian... hell, even a pissed off border collie could really screw up someone's day![/quote]
I’d argue it’s the same as route spaying and neutering all pets to curb the overpopulation. Are there responsible pet owners yes? The problem is the small minority who aren’t who are causing major issues. The pit breed is abused and discriminated against. It would  be in the breeds best interest to not continue. [/quote]

But what breed will be the next villain?

The small minority of irresponsible jerks is actually pretty easy to track and trace, which means they could be fined and stopped if we had better legislation, permit requirements for breeding dogs (of any kind), etc.

As strategies go, "kill off all the pit bulls" isn't reasonable, or feasible, or even likely to solve the problem of stupid backyard breeders, who will simply pick another breed to exploit and overbreed.[/quote]

There were no dog villains until pitbulls came along and earned the title through killings, maimings, and dismemberments of innocent people, usually children and elderly but often even adult males.[/quote]

Rotties, GSDs and Dobies would like a word with your ignorant ass[/quote]

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