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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST :-)

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed. 
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That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners. [/quote]

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.[/quote]

How old are you? I grew up in the 1970s. There weren’t ‘ethical’ breeders back then any more than there are today. And owners were far worse than today in terms of training. The difference was that mutts were Benji type mutts. [b]Today they are usually pitts.[/b] Back in my day, people’s dogs got out constantly, dug holes in people’s yards, occasionally there would be a bite, but never lethal. [/quote]

This isn't true. There's a crazy diversity of dogs, and far more people are likely to own them than they did "back in our day". The quality of ownership has gone WAY down. People feel entitled to have a dog, justify horrible handling in the name of crazy shit like "emotional support animals", and regularly break the laws that are designed to keep public spaces safe for the entirety of the public. [/quote]

Exactly what laws are being broken or not broken that would justify having a dog that can easily kill another as a pet?

I just think you’re far too focused on ‘good owners’. I don’t even know what that means. [/quote]

It's the same as "a dog that can easily kill another".

No dog that's properly controlled and contained will be killing anyone/anything. There's an extraordinarily small margin of error here, and it truly requires multiple system failures. That's what separates a "good owner" from an idiot who lets their dog (any breed) off leash in public, in the public fountain, loose in their yard unsupervised/unattended, etc. and a liability.

Fatality should NOT be the metric. I don't want my toddler getting bitten by your chihuahua "emotional support animal" in the grocery store. I don't want someone's "friendly" off-leash lab bowling over my kid at the park. Good owners don't let these things happen.[/quote]

Capable of causing serious or lethal injury seems like a good metric to me. The chihuahua or border collie is unlikely to kill or maim someone. That’s the thing that you seem to miss. Ime, even ‘good’ owners, ‘ethical’ breeders and ‘well trained’ dogs can make mistakes. I don’t think a pet that can kill or maim someone when a mistake is made should co exist in communities with others. Full stop [/quote]

While a chihuahua is unlikely to kill someone strictly due to size of bite, they actually one of the breeds most likely to bite you, and if they bite a kid, on the face especially, they can and do maim. A border collie can kill. A golden retriever can kill. Any breed of dog with a bite big enough could kill, especially when poor training and handling create a scenario that will stress. So "a pet that can kill of maim someone" is a really broad brush. Any dog big enough, relative to the size of its target, is "capable of causing serious or lethal injury".

ALL dogs should be licensed and insured by appropriately-informed, responsible owners. And people who want to breed dogs should be required to meet even higher standards. That is how you reduce bite incidents, if that's what you're interested in doing.[/quote]

They csn kill, but they don't.

The only dog breeds that regularly kill and maim are pitbull breeds.  This is indisputable.   Heck, pitbulls even kill their owners, which is unheard of for every other breed, including strong breeds like dobermans or german shepherds. [/quote]

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