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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well I stay religious because I believe to the very core of my existence that my religion is true. I and most religious scholars also believe our faith is compatible with modern science (which has absolutely nothing to say on the existence or non-existence of God).[/quote] Quote me one religious scholar who believes any faith is compatible with modern science. [/quote] John Walton's view was espoused by most professors I knew at Wheaton, and the science profs all believed in the Big Bang. Don't think you can honestly call anyone who taught at Moody and Wheaton liberal (though a few crazy insane conservative types try, especially the political ones). [quote]“Concordists believe the Bible must agree—be in concord with—all the findings of contemporary science. Through the entire Bible, there is not a single instance in which God revealed to Israel a science beyond their own culture. No passage offers a scientific perspective that was not common to the Old World science of antiquity.” [/quote] For example he puts forth an argument from ancient Mespotamian culture that Genesis 1 isn't really about exactly [i]how[/i] God created the earth, but rather about [i]why[/i] God did it and [i]that[/i] he made it work. [quote]“Instead of offering a statement of causes, Genesis 1 is offering a statement of how everything will work according to God’s purposes. In that sense the text looks to the future (how this cosmos will function for human beings with God at its center) rather than to the past (how God brought material into being). Purpose entails some level of causation (though it does not specify the level) and affirms sovereign control of the causation process.” [/quote] [quote]“If we follow the sense of the literature and its ideas of creation, we find that people in the ancient Near East did not think of creation in terms of making material things—instead, everything is function oriented. The gods are beginning their own operations and are making all of the elements of the cosmos operational. Creation thus constituted bringing order to the cosmos from an originally nonfunctional condition. It is from this reading of the literature that we may deduce a functional ontology in the ancient world—that is, that they offer accounts of functional origins rather than accounts of material origins.” [/quote] (https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-1-as-Ancient-Cosmology/dp/1575063840) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Walton[/quote] Creation stories are a man made construct to provide meaning and sense. They've been around since the first humans invented storytelling. And, thats it. They're just stories. Made up ones. [/quote] You provided a statement of your own belief, with no proof. It's valid for you to have your own beliefs, but has no impact on the correctness of anyone else's.[/quote] There is no need to to provide links to human history. Pick a creation story, and one that is not based on the Bible. Once you remove your religious blinders, you will understand them in their true historical and cultural context. Nearly every civ has some version of a creation story. No need to disprove all of them. You want to say that the story of Manu and Yemo is true? What about Enuma Elish or Atum. How about the Rig Veda? You blindly assumed the post was about the creation myth from Genesis. Go ahead. Provide links to each if the aforementioned that show they are "true". Use your friggin noggin next time - no links necessary. [/quote]
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