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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]At my 10th grader's school, the use of AI is rampant too, but the students are getting caught and are facing consequences.  The way my child explained it to me is that teachers require you to also submit your working document along with uploading your final document.  The teachers then use some kind of AI detector on the working document and the final version that allows them to detect whether AI was used on any of the versions and can also detect whether any large portions were copied and pasted.  Last week, several students were caught, and they all received zero points for the assignment (which will account for a significant part of their final grade), are required to serve detention/suspension, and must meet with the department chair with their parents. They also lose special privileges and the ability to participate in some programs.  Any 9th grade students caught cheating lose a lot of privileges, like participation in the foreign exchange program, etc.   [/quote]

What if you use AI to create the first working document?  Kids aren’t dumb and they run their work through the exact AI detector your school uses until it says 0% AI.

What am I missing?[/quote]

I'm not completely sure about how they are getting caught, but my child's working documents are drafted in Google docs, I believe, so as they are doing the process of getting started on a paper and physically typing, then editing, moving things around, etc, the automatically saved versions and maybe the process somehow looks different to the detector than the copying of pasting of things and having one or two rough draft versions rather than the working document of someone who is actually working through writing a paper.[/quote]

So, you could use AI to write the first version, print it out and then retype it into Google Docs so that appears to be your first draft.

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No HS student does perfect work in their first draft.  We just caught a kid that way (among other obvious clues like timing to do it, etc.).  To produce highly polished text requires multiple drafts, edits, corrections, etc.

We challenged this kid to show us his working drafts since he claimed he did the work elsewhere.  He didn't because he couldn't.

Next year, I expect our school to have a formal policy stating that all work will be done in the same document with the editing history available to the instructor.

It's a hard barrier for cheaters to get around.[/quote]

You seriously are delusional if you haven't realized how much AI has advanced. You do realize you can ask AI to produce a first draft with errors, then ask to edit only a certain percentage, and so on. Student has two computers and asks AI to do work on one and then student retypes it on google docs. Students are way, way ahead of some teachers.

There needs to be a switch to oral exams and in class essays. Teachers should be printing more so there are hard copies of documents like DBQ on AP tests. Student gets handed three documents to analyze and then has to write an in class essay in pen.  [/quote]

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