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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes how annoying!

Little league forces the summer birthday redshirt kids to play their correct age group (rather than grade). I was always glad about that one.

It’s more frustrating in later years IMHO. For example a freshman baseball player that is almost 16 (turns 16 in June). And there are so many like this- usually they were held back in Kindergarten but more and more are  “reclassing”. I know two 8th grade boys who are repeating 8th grade next year - not for any academic reason but for sports.  
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Why on Earth would it be more frustrating after the kids go through puberty?  [/quote]

Because a great 16 year old is 99.9% better than a great 14 year old, and that age gap difference follows both kids throughout all of HS.  The 0.1% is reserved for the insane athletes like Cooper Flagg who reclassed the other way...graduated HS after his junior year at 17, so he will just turn 19 after his one year at Duke and will be the #1 NBA draft pick.

The kids that reclass in 8th grade aren't weak athletes.  Most are the strongest athletes.  Again, colleges don't care how old you are.  That's why you have 26 year old college QBs.  Also, I think during the NCAA basketball tournament that they said the average age of the Auburn starting 5 was slightly older than one NBA team (I can't remember which team).[/quote]

If your high school kid can’t get a spot on the team on his own merits, that just means he’s not destined to go far in his sport.  Once the kids are through puberty age has very little to do with how good the kids are.[/quote]

Spoken as someone who doesn't have a kid at a sports powerhouse school.  Of course you are completely missing the point...it's not weak kids that are re-classing...it's the strongest kids doing this because they are competing nationally for D1 spots.

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There is functionality no difference between a talented and athletic 16 year old versus a 17 year old versus an 18 year old.  Get a grip.

You know they have 18 year olds competing against 22 years in college, don’t you?  Are you going to cry about that, too?[/quote]

If you don't want to accept the facts, there is no help.

Again, the average age of college teams in revenue sports (and soccer) is now 21+.  For every 18-year-old able to make a D1 team there are 10x 22 year olds playing.

You keep spewing nonsense and it's clear you don't get the landscape whatsoever.[/quote]

The fact is that if you’re whining that the only reason Timmy made the team over Billy is because Timmy is 18 and Billy is only 17 you’re being delusional.  Sorry.[/quote]

It’s clear you don’t have a kid that’s a strong athlete.  If you did you wouldn’t be making this moronic comments.

Look at the top 500 HS players in nearly any sport and it’s 95% comprised of the current graduating class…with 4% of current juniors and 1% freshman/sophs.

Premier League soccer (highest pro league in UK) allows 16 year olds and there is one in the entire league and he only played a total of 30 minutes all season.  There are 25 18 year olds, several of which are starters.  There are 100+ 20 year olds. There are more 39 year old players than 16.

The idea that 18 and 16 doesn’t matter is ridiculous.

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Those freshman will be seniors someday, dummy.  Then [b]they’ll [/b]be in the 95%.  What the hell are you even on about?[/quote]

You are a complete dipshit…making it clear that yes there is a noticeable difference between an 18 year old (or 19 year old) senior and even a 17 year old junior or 16 year old sophomore.

Please, stop posting.  You are embarrassing yourself.[/quote]

LOL.  Let’s line up a bunch of senior athletes and you can guess if they’re 17, 18, or 19!  Since it’s SO noticeable.  I’m guessing you’d be fired from that carnival spot after the first day.

Listen, there is ALWAYS going to be someone older than Larlo.  At some point you just have to deal with it, man.

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It actually is pretty noticeable…in fact quite obvious.  You just keep digging and it’s weird.

….but you don’t have an athlete, so why do you care?[/quote]

What’s the functional difference between the 18 year old who is 375 days older than the 16 year old versus the 17 year old who is 350 days older than another 17 year old?  Logically the older 17 year old is closer to the 18 year old in age, while the younger 17 year old is closer to the 16 year old, but if both 17 year olds are 17 on the *arbitrary* cutoff date, they compete against each other, while the 18 and 16 year old might be two full years apart despite having an almost identical age gap.

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Ask the parent who redshirted the 18 year old because they couldn’t stand the possibility that their son would be at most 364 days younger than his classmates.

That’s the rub here:  you can’t simultaneously redshirt a child and then claim the age discrepancy doesn’t matter.   [/quote]

You are deliberately missing the point; I assume because you can’t or won’t admit that after the kids go through puberty there are MANY factors that are FAR more important to their athletic success than their age.  Size, skill, overall athleticism, etc.[/quote]

No...you are missing the point that it's the best athletes that are redshirting, not mediocre athletes...because they are competing nationally for D1 slots (made even more competitive because of the changes to roster sizes).  Colleges don't care how old you are, at all.  There are no age rules.

So, the great 16 year old becomes an even better 18 year old, yet that 18 year old is now just a junior in high school.

Juan Soto was much better at 18 than 16.  Premier League soccer has 25 18 year olds actively competing and just 1 16 year old...of course, that 16 year old will become a starter at 18, but the great 18 year olds are of course just better than the best 16 year old.[/quote]

So if redshirting is so prevalent amongst the “great” athletes (and I would honestly love to see your statistics on this because I don’t believe this is happening on such a large scale to get so worked up about) and YOU had a “great” athlete competing for a D1 scholarship… what would YOU do?[/quote]

I know several kids doing a "5th year" of high school.  One is going down to IMG Academy in Florida for baseball.  It's actually standard practice to do a 5th year for hockey and we know a kid playing at one of the New England boarding schools.

I love how you don't have an athlete, don't know at all what you are talking about...but sure, it's the rest of us that are living this stuff that are making things up.

Here are stats on D1 basketball teams.  Again, this is the average age of team which if it was evenly distributed between 18 - 22 year olds, then the average age would be 20...but'it's not.

The average age of starting lineups in D1 college basketball has been steadily increasing. In 2019, the average age of Sweet 16 starters was 20.8, but by 2025, it had risen to 21.6. A 2025 study found that the average age of Auburn's starting five was 23.2 years old, showcasing the trend of older players in college basketball. [/quote]

DP.  The age advantage is real. And some kids are holding back in middle/high school. But the majority of hold backs remain from early education years.

You’re mixing up a lot of different numbers suggesting that you are not as informed as you hold yourself out to be.

1.  You are comparing and expecting the average age of TEAMS to be evenly distributed around 20 while citing average age of STARTING LINEUPS (the top 5 players). Starting lineups will almost always be older than average roster age, especially across the entire NCAA. You’ll find a small, select few teams (like Duke) last year where the starting lineups average age may be younger than the roster age.

2.  Comparing 2019 to 2025 is an awful mistake. The NCAA granted players an extra year of eligibility if they were enrolled during COVID. This is the final year for those players (LJ Cryer for Houston in college basketball is a prime example). My guess is that the average ages of starting lineups will regress a tad as the last of the COVID players now cycle out of the system. [/quote]

The average age won't regress.  If anything, it will continue to get older.  NIL $$$s has completely transformed college athletics in sports like basketball and football...even at the HS level (kid at Highland signed a low 6 figure deal with Reebok).  It will spur even more redshirting because many college athletes will earn more $$$s in HS and college then ever thought possible...considering most of those kids won't go pro.

The QB from UGA transferred to University of Miami and is getting paid $6MM for one year.  I think he is 24 or 25.  He isn't even considered an NFL prospect, or at least a high draft pick.  He makes 5x more than Brock Purdy does at the 49ers, though in theory Brock will get a nice payday when his rookie contract is up.[/quote]

Under NCAA rules you have 5 years to play 4 seasons. The clock starts ticking the first season you participate. There are notable exceptions like Mormon players on their two-year mission or injured players can get extra time.

But, once a kid starts (at say 19) then they have to be done by 24. So unless you think kids will take multiple non-ncaa years and start at an older and older age, then there is a sort of firm upper bound to what average ages will be in the NCAA.

THE UGA to Miami QB (Carson Beck) is another one of those Covid players who got an extra year of eligibility even though he redshirted in 2020.

There is also an upper bound to redshirting in high school. In many (most) states, if you turn 19 before the start of your senior year you are ineligible to participate in sports your senior year.

So, for average age to move up materially, you would need kids to take some sort of gap year. Between high school (prep like IMG included) and college. I just don’t see kids with the type of prospects to get paid real money college taking a gap year. [/quote]

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