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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think most indoctrination happens in childhood. Only a small number of people pursue or change religion on their own. [/quote]

Not true at all. I can think of many people that I know personally who found Christ as an adult.[/quote]

Non-religious people? With no religious upbringing who "found christ" from a vacuum?

I am not saying there are none, but your claim of "many" of the above, I call BS.[/quote]

Well, you would be wrong. Yes, non-religious people.

No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum. Some of them had hit hard or bad places in their lives, and turned back to God. They found a supportive friend, or Christian counselor, or a strong church, and found their way there. Others realized that they had been living what they viewed as fun but ultimately unfulfilling lives, and sought more. God has a way of putting people in our lives when we are searching, to help lead them back to Him. It happened to me, although I had been raised in a Protestant church so not non-religious in upbringing.[/quote]

So first you say I am "wrong", and then admit that I am right about not coming to christ from a vacuum, and then provide examples, none of which indicate that I am wrong.

Well done.[/quote]

Sorry; I believe we have different definitions of the term "in a vacuum."[/quote]

Lol.. "Sorry", I believe you know exactly what I meant and your post confirmed it.  The proof is in your own words: "[i]No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum[/i]".[/quote]
DP, I assumed by "in a vacuum" you meant "without a Christian background/upbringing." I would consider someone who is secular/atheist and then had some bad luck in life and found Jesus to be coming to Christianity in a vacuum. Given how pervasive Christianity is in American culture, I think that's the most vacuum-like conditions you're going to get. If by "vacuum" you meant "came from the middle of the jungle and never heard of Jesus, but then discovered Christianity while walking along a sun-dappled path and emerged from the trees to join a church," then I think you're very unrealistic.[/quote]

I repeat: No you did not assume that, evidenced by your statement "[i]No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum[/i]."

You should stop now.[/quote]
...DP means "different poster" as in NOT the person you've been going back and forth with in that thread.[/quote]

Sorry, that was my miss.  But you responded to a point made by a previous poster when the debate was about what THEY said, and I pasted it to show he knew what I meant.  Why would what YOU assumed be relevant wrt their response?[/quote]

You're debating in a public message board that lots of other people are following. I chimed in because I was following along with the back-and-forth and thought that the initial intent of "in a vacuum" would have been more grounded in reality. If you actually meant for "in a vacuum" to mean without any influence from Christianity whatsoever (no Christian friend or counselor or church on the corner offering a grief support group or whatever the case may be), I just don't think your debate with PP is worthwhile, since that's not a realistic expectation.

Basically, I assumed that my comment was relevant because it demonstrated an assumption about your meaning of "in a vacuum" and the possibilities of alternative interpretations of what it might mean to be "in a vacuum" with regard to this topic. Even the PP's quote [i]"No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum"[/i] doesn't show that they actually understood your meaning, only that they made an assumption about your meaning, which may or may not have been accurate.

Perhaps you could clarify it would look like for someone to become religious "in a vacuum" so we can all be on the same page?[/quote]

I know this is a public message board, and anonymous.  But you responded to a post which was very specifically about another posters response, and not the topic they responded to.

[quote][i]"No, they did not come to Christ in what I assume you mean by a vacuum"[/i] doesn't show that they actually understood your meaning, only that they made an assumption about your meaning, which may or may not have been accurate.[/quote]

Yes, and that was exactly my point -- pp correctly assumed my meaning, responded as such, and then later tried to backpedal and say they thought it meant something else.  [i]That's [/i]what you responded to, not the original point.

I repeat my mea culpa I missed the clear "DP" but I hope now you can see why.[/quote]

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