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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Faith. 
Takes as much faith to believe in nothing as it does to believe in something.

Agnostics are the exception to the rule, but they are not atheists. [/quote]

A-theists can also be A-gnostic, and the vast majority are.

“Gnostic” means to know.

“Theist” means to believe in a god or gods.

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Based on one set of definitions.

Not everyone uses those definitions. 
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Do you know any atheists who don’t use the above definitions?  Highly doubtful.  Google it.  Atheist and agnostic.  You’ll see.

And yes I know who uses the other definitions:

Theists who which to equalize the terms to try and turn atheism into a claim there is no god, therefore putting an equal burden of proof on them.

Not gonna work.[/quote]

Yes, me. And the people at Pew who consider them as two, no overlapping things.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/who-are-the-nones-how-are-they-defined/

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You misrepresent that survey, probably intentionally.  Nowhere does it define what an atheist is and most importantly it does not show you what was presented to the respondents.  If I was given that survey, and could choose only one, I would choose “atheist” even though I am also agnostic.

If the prompt had a clear definition of Atheist as “claiming there is no god” then I would have to choose agnostic.  As would most atheists, including the famous ones like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and most of the members of American Atheists and the Atheist Community of Austin (which has global participants).

There isn’t even a definition of God presented in that survey.  It’s virtually useless for defining the terms and their popular usage.

If that is the best evidence you have, you have failed to biblical proportions. [/quote]

As you say yourself, there are multiple definitions.

Pew presents as either/or. It’s not multiple choice.

Anyway, most people use them as distinct beliefs, not overlapping.

Stop pushing your definitions as the only correct ones. [/quote]

Yes, Pew presents it as a choice - THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT.  Respondents had to choose one or the other, even though they might have been both.

Did you read my post?

Did you look at the graphics I suggested?

Do you know you can also be a theist and be agnostic?  As in someone who is a Catholic but is not certain about it being true?  Doesn’t that seem reasonable, and logical?[/quote]

And…that’s exactly why I gave it as an example.

One or the other.

I get that you have your definitions that you choose to use. But yhose are not the only definitions used today. Words can have multiple meanings/usage. As you demonstrated.

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