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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s about Pell grants. How important are Pell grants to you in terms of ranking a college or university?

Next year all these type of things are going away. So I guess the ranking will radically change again.[/quote]

It’s only 11% of the methodology and it is more focused on Pell grant recipient performance than just the number of recipients. This has always been overstated on DCUM.

Except for a few schools, the bigger impact was the stuff that got dropped, some of which made sense (alumni giving) and some of which didn’t (faculty with terminal degrees).[/quote]

It's the insecure white guys on DCUM trying to blame the USNWR rankings on "DEI."

Can't have too many schools with low income or brown people high in the rankings. But vapid party schools like Tulane? Great![/quote]

I'm not MAGA (about as far as you can get away from it---have never voted R for President and I first voted for Dukakis so that should tell you something).  yet I don't care about how a school "performs for pell grant students" in terms of ranking it's "quALITY" Yes it is important and I want everyone to get a good education.  [b]But the quality of a school does not depend upon how well the poor kids turn out, because just like in public K-12, I smartly realize that a poor student will have more external struggles that cannot simply be overcome because someone at school does something,[/b] unless that is pay Tuition, R&B, and all expenses (flights to/from school, spending money, etc) so that the student literally can live like the rich kids and not stress over anything, oh and toss in a few K per month to the family at home so the student doesn't have to worry if Mom/Dad/Grandma have food or electricity.

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This is exactly why including these criteria makes sense, as they are a measure of undergrad academic support and resources. Kids from high socioeconomic backgrounds will manage to graduate even if the school sucks and provides little support, because they have outside support and guidance. Kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds have less of that and so what the school does or does not provide matters. The irony being that the people who hate it because they think it has nothing to do with the quality of the undergrad experience are missing that it [i]is[/i] a way to measure undergrad quality (course instruction, academic counseling, course availability, support services, etc).

It’s the same for K-12 but your takeaway is the wrong one. When comparing K-12s, you can look at others of your similar socioeconomic background to determine how well your kid will do, but if you want to see how well the school does, look at how the kids with the least outside support do relative to those at other schools.[/quote]

+++++++++++ Excellent post[/quote]

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