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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just wondering, if we eliminate everything that helps citizens (fema, tsa, medicaid, medicare, and so on), what exactly are we paying taxes for?[/quote]

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Well, my thing is are we paying for effective stuff?  I get why we need all these agencies but the crux is whether their value justifies the cost.  While everyone complains about how much you get taxed through Europe/Canada/etc., the money is going to a place they are see tangible ROI.  If you pay $100 for taxes that go into socialized healthcare for example, you may have gripes and maybe it's not worth $100 in total but you know you have coverage and that coverage is blanket and more or less it's value added so maybe you get $95 of that in ROI.  When we pay for taxes here, I don't feel like we really see a lot ROI.  We probably really get $45 out of that because all this money goes towards so much BS.

My thing is that it's going to be costly no matter what but it's about value.  I would rather pay $100 and have most of that be value added than pay $75 + so many other bills that I'm not seeing great value in aka health insurance.  I'm paying taxes, health insurance and then for that healthcare, there will be deductibles I have to reach + copays.  So I'm paying so much more than the original $100 while a lot, is actually less when you consider what I see tangibly.

FEMA is necessary but in its current state, we might want to be sure.  TSA is there and it probably does enough for security but the amount we are spending on so many agencies isn't sustainable.  We just spend and spend and raise taxes to spend some more all the while we're still going broke.  If anyone used their credit cards the way our govt balances the budget, they would get crushed.  So how are we going to fix it if not by trimming the fat?  It's easier than done I know and it isn't something you do in a year even but the point is, looking at value and ROI is more important I think than looking simply at upfront costs.

We all spend a lot on fed taxes but then there's also state taxes for most of us and then costs to actually stay alive.  Our fed taxes supporting all these agencies are so bloated - it's not that we don't need government but I think it's so critical for us to really figure out what agencies are key.  Government has a way of expanding and let's face it, it's not business which is based more on practical applications.  Government services is 100% needed so I'm not suggesting we do what Trump wants which is to completely destroy it but I do think that looking at how we leverage government by way of services is key.  Don't forget we then have state services on top of fed services!![/quote]

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