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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools. [/quote]
No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been. [/quote]

Emory? lol no [/quote]
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/emory-university-1564
Currently ranked 24
https://www.aronfrishberg.com/projects/usnehas historically been ranked higher than UVA for 30 years. [/quote]
The second link is broken, here's another. 
UVA was ranked as low as 28 in 2020. Emory has never been ranked lower than 24. UVA is T30, Emory is T20/25. UVA rose because of the methodology changes that started in 2021. 
https://publicuniversityhonors.com/us-news-rankings-2025-which-universities-have-gained-or-lost-the-most-since-2018/[/quote]
The same with Umich, did not rise until the methodology changes. [/quote]

That isn't true.  I've watched this for a long time.  Michigan always had a high peer rating, but it was lower in selectivity criteria like SAT than some other publics until it started to take more OOS students quite a while ago.  This is what brought Michigan up.  It had been in the top set of publics for some time before the Pell related changes.  The Pell changes really moved up others like the other UC schools.[/quote]

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