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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There’s a great John Mulaney bit….
The church “changed it to ‘And with your spirit.’ Because that’s what needed revamping in the Catholic Church. That was the squeaky wheel that needed the grease.”[/quote]

Ha ha. I refuse to say the new stuff. And I will not raise my arms during the Our Father. Such nonsense![/quote]

You think that's nonsense -- what about the idea of living forever in heaven if you die without mortal sin on your soul?[/quote]

No one has disproven the existence of eternal life. [/quote]

No one has disproven the existence of Mohammed on a flying carpet.  Do you believe that? No one has disproven the existence of a million invisible fruit flys in your refrigerator.  Do you believe that?[/quote]

People are free to believe what they wish, particularly regarding faith traditions.

As for refrigerators, there are tons of invisible things living there, but probably not fruit flies in most cases. [/quote]

People are also free not to believe what they wish, particularly regarding faith traditions.  You can believe or not believe anything you want, particularly regarding faith traditions, but only with faith traditions is believing or not believing anything you want considered to be normal behavior.

In other cases, you'd be laughed at, at a minimum, or maybe thrown in jail or the mental hospital, depending on what you believed without having any scientific proof.[/quote]

Did you know there’s scientific proof that bumblebees can’t fly?

Did you know that a huge portion (likely a majority) of prescription drug descriptions in the PDR say that nobody knows how it works but it does?

Did you know that phrenology was once  accepted as a scientifically proven means of personality measurement?

Did you know that the Berthillon system was once accepted as a scientifically proven means of criminal identification by body measurements?

Lots of “scientifically proven” stuff out there that’s hogwash.

What I hear in the constant attacks on religious faith is an intense disappointment in the deity that many professed non-believers claim not to exist.

Religious belief is a matter of Faith. As St. Paul says “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”[/quote]

Do you believe everything that St. Paul says? Do you know that there really ever was a St Paul?  Do you know that people gave up Phrenology because there is no scientific substance to it?  Do you know that that's why many people have given up religion?

You hear intense disappointment, while many who not longer believe in your God feel relief. [/quote]

Such profound relief that they feel compelled to hijack threads about liturgical language to propagandize their anti-religion.

I think the historic evidence of St. Paul is probably on a level similar to that of many other ancient figures. Certainly the writings attributed toncontain a great deal of wisdom that generations of people have found helpful.

People don’t abandon religion because it is not scientific. They do so because they never had personal faith to begin with or they succumbed to despair. [/quote]

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