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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^^^How do you get to be a top 10 institution without the brightest students?? [/quote] This! Do you think that when they have kids who have done really well in high school applying such that they could fill their class twice over, they should select a class from the next academic tier of applicants? Nobody is coasting through high school with stellar grades and test scores without effort. [/quote] No, I disagree. [b]There are a huge number of kids who have the scores and grades to do well. [/b]Probably 5 kids for every 1 spot at these schools. Some universities preferentially choose the ones who also did bench science research during every summer of high school, had 2 school-year internships, founded a company that generated $10K in profits and are on the board of 6 non-profits. Others take the kids who were the soccer captain and the newspaper editor. Both kids have the smarts for these institutions but #1 is a super grinder and #2 is not. Vanderbilt is far more likely to take kid #2--they are known for their random admissions. Chicago also ends up taking kid #2 from many private high schools because from private schools they are a destination for the smart kids under the top 10% (the type B smart kids). [/quote] The soccer captain who is killing his AP classes and scoring a 1580 on the SAT is not just phoning it in. He is also a “grinder”. I know because this is my son. He puts in a ton of time into his classes. He has many friends on his soccer team who truly do not but are great at athletics. They are not getting into either Chicago or NU - and they shouldn’t. The idea that there is this large cohort of T20- capable students who don’t put in any effort is just nonsense. [/quote] I disagree completely. I have kids (twins) who have >1550 SATs, top grades and are sports captains but they also party (often to my chagrin) and they aren't grinders. They spend hours doing homework there is a huge difference between very smart kids who do well in school and those who sacrifice everything socially because they're playing the admissions grind game of spending their high school career working in labs, doing 17 internships, and basically developing the resume of a 35 year old. You can be very smart and do very well in a challenging high school and not be a grinder. [/quote]
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