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SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1340 - 1460 - 1520
Middlebury: 1420 - 1466 - 1520
Wesleyan: 1310 - 1430 - 1505

ACT Composite 24th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 31 - 33 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 33.42 - 35
Wesleyan: 305. - 32 - 34

Percent in top 10% of HS class:
Bowdoin: 83%
Middlebury: Not reported
Wesleyan: 78.8%

Look pretty comparable to me. [/quote]

These numbers are from older CDS, when Bowdoin was reporting scores whether submitted or not. Percent in top 10% info is not very meaningful because such a small fraction of attending students submit this data.[/quote]

Those numbers are from 2022-2023 CDS.

Here's 2023-2024:
SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530
Wesleyan: 1300 - 1430 - 1500

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
Wesleyan: 31 - 33 - 34

[b]Again, differences not substantial. [/b]

Bowdoin has a lower acceptance rate partly because they have a much smaller class to fill. Bowdoin has 1900 students, compared to Midd at 2,800 and Wesleyan at 3,000. Otherwise, their student bodies are very similar. [/quote]

And the differences go away completely when you look at the Wes scores for submitters only—the apples to apples comparison. In fact, Wesleyan jumps to the top of the list on SAT (and is the same as Bowdoin on ACT).

SAT Composite percentile 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 1480 - 1520 - 1560
Bowdoin: 1470 - 1510 - 1530
Middlebury: 1440 - 1500 - 1530

ACT Composite 25th - 50th - 75th
Wesleyan: 33 - 34 - 35 
Bowdoin: 33 - 34 - 35
Middlebury: 33 - 34 - 34
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Not sure where these numbers come from. The Wesleyan CDS 2023-24 has reports SAT scores of 1300-1430-1500 for the 52% reporting.

https://wesleyan0.sharepoint.com/:x:/r/sites/IRDataandReports/_layouts/15/Doc.aspx?sourcedoc=%7B511364A2-342B-44F5-9598-5AFF50E81CCB%7D&file=CDS_2023-2024.xlsx&action=default&mobileredirect=true[/quote]

Yeah, the numbers don't add up....hmm.

https://www.wesleyan.edu/admission/apply/class-profile.html and [/quote]

As explained earlier in the thread, [b]for the CDS Wes includes scores for all enrolled students, even from students who don’t submit as part of their application[/b]. Forthe class profile, they include only the scores submitted for consideration in admissions.

The class profile scores are the ones to look at if you are deciding whether or not to submit.[/quote]

(Reposting to fix formatting.)

Where do they say that? The CDS itself just says 52% submitted scores. Would be very odd not to say 100% if everyone was required to submit and the numbers shared were for the entire class.  It’s seems the more straightforward (and typical) interpretation is the CDS is for matriculating students while the admitted student profile was for accepted students who may or may not attend.

Fwiw, for that same year (23-24) they had 19% reporting ACT scores with a composite range of 31-34.  [/quote]

The profile has information for admitted (top of the page) and enrolled (table on the second half of the page) students. The enrolled student numbers on the profile are higher than the numbers on the CDS. It’s currently showing class of 2028, so you can’t compare with current CDS numbers, but the class of 2027 numbers on the profile were nearly identical. [/quote]

That seems like a possible explanation, but it’s not the only possible explanation, and without an indication on the CDS that the entire class took tests and their scores are captured (either with words or the percentage submitting SAT and/or ACT adding to at least 100) I think it’s reasonable to think there’s a different, simpler explanation where the school isn’t denying itself credit. A 100% submission rate would be impressive to those looking at test scores after all!

To me, it’s interesting the top part of the profile (for all admits) has a % for admitted students submitting as does the CDS, but the bottom part of the profile (for admitted students) does not. I think this might explain the discrepancy.

The CDS might well include test scores submitted post admission, but it still only comes to 53% (class of 27) for enrolling students for the SAT (medians of 710 M and 710 V). So one explanation for why the bottom part of the profile has higher median scores (750 M and 760 V for that year) is that it’s averaging over an undisclosed smaller percentage of admitted students who actually submitted scores before admits were chosen. Why don’t they just use the higher scores but lower % reporting on the CDS? I don’t know. I believe there used to be a USNWR penalty if below 50% reported, so there was at least a ranking incentive to get more scores to get over the penalty threshold before reporting via CDS and to USNWR, but I think that’s been relaxed since Covid (they just add more weight to grad rates), so maybe it’s just for consistency.

[b]I haven’t found anything on the Wesleyan site saying all admitted students must submit test scores before enrolling, just that those who submitted self-reported scores need to send official copies before school starts.
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In short, I think the standardized CDS and not the proprietary class profile has the most appropriate information for comparing Wesleyan to other schools. There might’ve been a higher test average when the % reporting was lower earlier in the cycle, but it never reached 100%, and the ~50% on the CDS is in the ballpark for its peer group, which is another indication it’s what we should be using for comparisons.[/quote]

My kid goes to Wesleyan. Was admitted TO and was required to submit his scores before starting school.

It is my understanding that what I said above—that the CDS includes all enrolled student data, regardless of whether they submitted with their applications—is true. If you really care, call the admissions office. [/quote]

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