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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There was a hundred page thread on here full of complaints against Valor. Have never seen much negative commentary at all herr about Vienna so choice is ckear.[/quote]

There are a lot of threads about Vienna as well in the past year. Just look at this one. They just don’t gain the traction because at the end of the day Vienna is nothing more than a boutique club that is barely on anyone’s radar. Many of their young age groups can barely fill two teams.

Valor is huge and has a huge systemic problem that requires an overhaul. Thus more people more complaints. Vienna is small. Wouldn’t be surprised if bought by McLean. [/quote]

Vienna is roughly the same size as McLean. McLean just has had a history of being able to bring in outside players even at the younger ages but that is slowing down now. [/quote]

We were at Vienna and moved to McLean and we still know many families and friends at VYS (we live in Vienna). The caliber of players and coaching is a much higher level at McLean. The coaching is not bad at VYS it's just not that great anymore. The enthusiasm is low and the coaches have resorted to very basic disinterested practices and some days half the kids don't even show up. A lot of our friends at VYS have asked us about McLean because they are looking to leave. Being able to recruit outside players is a sign of a better program. It's not like you can convince people to come to a lower program year after year. Eventually, people would figure it out. [/quote]

I assume you have a son?  Because on the girls' side, every McLean team was in the bottom half of ECRL last year, every team had negative GD, and 4 out of their 6 teams were in the bottom 3 spots in the league.  [b]Their cumulative GD across 6 teams was -57[/b][u].

5 out of 6 Vienna girls' teams finished better than McLean, half had positive GD, and their cumulative GD was +26.

[b][u]McLean was literally 83 goals worse [/u][/b] than Vienna last season, yet the "caliber of players and coaching at McLean is much higher level"?

In terms of the rest, I have had, and continue to have both boys and girls in the Vienna program.  I have also had a child play for other area teams.  Vienna has plenty of players attending practices, and they're certainly very interested.  Stop by Quantum or Marshall on a weeknight and just look at the fields.  [/quote]

McLean (along with many top clubs) doesn’t have high success at the ECNL-RL level because more of their top players make it to ECNL National. Thus their RL teams at the older ages are mostly left with 2nd and 3rd team players. Vienna’s RL players are mostly 1st team players that didn’t make ECNL.

If you want to measure success look at how a team performs at their U11-12 and see how many make it to ECNL at U13. [/quote]

This is false. Both Vienna and McLean combined with other clubs last year to field ECNL squads. SYC put far more girls into Union than BRYC put on Brave.

You’re right that it is affecting both clubs’ performance relative to a team like GFR, but most ECRL teams (Vienna, McLean, Loudoun, Arlington, PWSI, BRYC, VSA, etc) are affected by this. But Vienna put more girls onto Brave than McLean put onto Union last year (whose best teams, like their 2010s, were SYC dominated). [/quote]

You’re honestly comparing BRYC and VYS to McLean and SYC. You’re grasping at straws and no one is buying it. Lmao[/quote]

What is there to argue?  I'm posting objective data.  Vienna was a better performing ECRL club on the girls' side last year than McLean, by over 80 goals.  Look it up.

Someone posted an excuse that McLean's best players played for Union last year, and Vienna's best players played RL.  That's factually incorrect.  We could go team by team, player by player, but on the girls' side, Vienna had to make up a large percentage of Brave players.  McLean had a much larger player pool from SYC feeding into Union.  The whole reason SYC pulled out was because they felt they had enough players to go it alone in GA.  [/quote]

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