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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Of course it is real.  There is evidence everywhere.

Besides raising boys to respect females as equal, to have and exy the range of feelings (including fear and tears), to seek consent before touching another else’s body for your own gratification , they need time role models who live this way.

That means dads who also care for children and [b]women who contribute to society outside the home,  and contribute to their household financially.[/b][/quote]

Please explain how the rather misogynist sentiment expressed in bold helps dissuade toxic masculinity.[/quote]

When children see only a woman not working and doing only domestic duties, it teaches them[b] that is what women do.[/b] Versus equality in duties and care equal to their male spouse.

I’m a true believer that sahm contribute to male entitlement. [/quote]

Even if we accepted your premise in true in 2024, when boys interact with all sorts of men and women outside their home in a professional capacity (e.g. doctors, teachers, retail employees, etc.) , what exactly is the issue with thinking that women perform domestic labor?[/quote]

You learn how to be a man or woman, how to be a husband or wife, from your family of origin. [/quote]

This is true.  But your job (or lack of job) does not define you.  Any decent family of origin will teach/model good values, regardless of mommy and daddy’s earned income.

My real issue with your point (or at least your point as I read it, perhaps I misunderstood) is that you view domestic labor and child rearing as “less than”.  And it also seems to be the only job for which you draw a distinction: if larlo sees that mommy is a housewife he’ll think all women are housewives.  But if mommy is a teacher, will larlo think all women are teachers?  If dad is a cop, does he think all men are cops?  If mom is a hardworking housewife and dad is a tobacco lobbyist, do you really think that mom is not contributing to society but dad is?  (Assuming you are the original poster who made that claim.)

Is it not possible for two things to be treated as equal (meaning having equal rights and equal value) without them being exactly the same?[/quote]

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