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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Neglect of social science is a huge factor in this kind of thinking. People who actually learn about history, gender studies, and social economics know that this vision of "traditional" roles with SAH spouse was never common.  (Those people would also know what the words "feminism" and "patriarchy" mean, which I'm not sure OP does.)

In an aggragrian society, everybody works but mostly not for cash. There was no "going to work" vs staying home, although you might share labor among neighbors. As things urbanized and moved to cash, people almost immediately outsourced their meals and laundry, so there were women with businesses and working outside the home. In both scenarios there were a lot of people who never married: they lived with family, or worked for the rich, or went into religion or military.

[b]The idea of widespread marriage where one man's cash wage supports a SAHM nuclear family was a thing for a very brief period in the US, [/b]and only for a faction of the population. A blip, not traditional. [/quote]

This is not what labor statistics show. But this is often repeated on here. Women didn’t even have access to daycare or any sort of maternity leave so it was extremely difficult for a woman to hold down any sort of job outside of the home. Women working a man’s job is a recent thing. [/quote]

Curious what you think are men's jobs in this context, but it doesn't really matter because we're talking paid work outside the home. Women historically worked as teachers, cooks, childcare providers, laundresses, cleaners, seamstresses,  etc etc. When office work was invented they worked in offices. That's all working outside the home.

Women left their kids with relatives or brought them with, depending on the job. But, as I already said[b] many didn't have spouses so they either didn't have kids or they gave them up (including to family). Marriage was not as common as the trad fantasy assumes. [/b][/quote]

You lost all credibility with that statement. Having children out of wedlock was incredibly uncommon. Why?  The average woman couldn’t support herself and there was limited government assistance, if any. [/quote]

LOL, people have always been horny. Kids out of wedlock was not uncommon at all. But childless people also were not uncommon. Birth control wasn't great but it existed, and also babies died. And of course some people didn't have sex or didn't have hetero sex or were infertile.

Even though you didn't learn this in school, I don't understand how you can consume popular media and not think there were working women. You've never seen a movie set pre-1940 with women factory workers or school teachers?  Never seen one set 1950-onward with secretaries?  You don't have any female relatives from the 50s who worked or employed women?[/quote]

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