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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It never ceases to amaze me how nasty and bitter people are on this subject. There are, in fact, good kids of all types at all three of those schools, happy kids, caring teachers, good facilities, fun after school program. NOBODY CARES if you send your kid to Latin or Basis. But it’s a real pathology to come on here bashing schools your neighbors’ kids attend. If you have a concrete complaint or question bring it on. But the attacks are just absurd. [/quote]

Read your own post. You are resorting to name calling and mischaracterizing people’s fact-based responses as “nasty” because you don’t want to face the truth about Elliot-Hine, which is that the vast majority of kids are below grade level. [/quote]

SH and EH have almost identical test scores btw.

And of course it’s all the racialized commentary and calling the school “terrible” that is nasty. We all know what the test scores are. [/quote]

EH's 8th grade scores in both ELA and Math are significantly worse. Could read that in a number of ways. Future PARCC scores might help clarify what's going on there. But that doesn't help OP, who needs to make a choice now.[/quote]

Don't you just love DCUM gaslighting? Scores are published but that doesn't stop people from just making things up. [/quote]

Who is gaslighting whom? EH had 33% meeting/exceeding in math last year to SH's 30%.  For ELA it was 52.5% for EH vs 66% for SH. [/quote]

Proficiency rates for 8th grade at EH:
ELA: 15 of 75 (20%)
Math (8th grade): data suppressed (<5%)
Math (Algebra 1): data suppressed

Proficiency rates for 8th grade at SH:
ELA: 68 of 146 (47%)
Math (8th grade): 6 of 114 (5%)
Math (Algebra 1): 22 of 29 (76%)

Proficiency rates for 8th grade at Jefferson: 
ELA: 37 of 120 (31%)
Math (8th grade): data suppressed
Math (Algebra 1): 13 of 15 (87%)
Math (Geometry): <10[/quote]

One point for context is that SH allows parents to opt their kids into the accelerated math path even if they don't qualify, but heavily suggests against it. (There are now 3 defined paths: Direct acceleration (doing 7th grade math -- with 7th graders -- in 6th); an accelerated/combined 6th/7th grade content class (all 6th graders) designed to get you to 8th grade math in 7th grade if it goes well, but kids can choose to drop down and do normal 7th grade math in 7th, so there's an easy off-ramp; and a standard 6th grade class. The school gives you a suggested path based on BOY MAP testing, but will allow you to choose a different path with counseling. They also do counseling post-the accelerated middle track and kids are about 50/50 in terms of whether they continue on or not.) What this means is that you can basically guarantee your kid Algebra 1 in 8th if you want to & you can absolutely guarantee your kid a shot at it if they aren't a great test taker/are coming from a school with a rockier foundation. I think, on balance, it's a positive, but it doesn't mean that the Algebra 1 class isn't all math superstars like it is at Jefferson, where placement is much squishier and there is no known/available path to opt into the higher level class. For true math superstars, I could see parents preferring the option that guarantees every kid in the class "should" be there though. (I am not familiar with EH, so I don't know how it works there, but it seems like they have very few kids in that position to begin with.)[/quote]

It has been a goal citywide for all middle schools to offer all options, and starting in recent years it was supposed to be rolled out. Currently there are EH 8th graders in algebra, 7th graders in algebra, and 7th graders in pre-algebra (as well as typical grade level course material). Placement will be based on a combination of iReady scores, interest of the family, summer work (if aiming for 7th grade algebra) and ultimately a paper placement test in fall.
As a parent and forner educator I think the entry to these classes should be merit based, it doesn't do any favors to place kids in these classes who aren't ready, it forces a need for extra support or remediation in the future.[/quote]

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