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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Surprise! [b]Paris have a baby girl now, London.[/b] I had a feeling it would be quick after their first, considering she is already 42. I wonder if there will be a third, or is her family complete now?[/quote] I meant to say Paris and Carter have a baby girl now.[/quote] Carter already has a baby girl.[/quote] She’s not a baby and Carter isn’t part of her life. Now he has a baby girl.[/quote] He didn’t abandon anyone. He got someone pregnant. It wasn’t a serious relationship. If he’d had a choice, he would have had an abortion. The mom didn’t want one and decided to go and have the baby anyway. He provides her with financial support. It’s not fair to force a man to be a father if it wasn’t his choice to be one anymore than it’s fair to force a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy. [/quote] Np no one forced him to have sex with the woman. [/quote] I’m so confused by this mentality. Would you only allow a woman to have an abortion if she were raped? Or do you think it’s okay for a woman to have a good time, make a mistake, get pregnant and then have an abortion to fix her mistake? I’m fully pro-choice, so I go with the latter. But I’m not sexist and apply the same logic for men. I can see a man having a good time, making a mistake, getting a woman pregnant and then telling her that he’d prefer for her to have an abortion because he doesn’t want to be a father. I see nothing wrong with him choosing not to participate in the child’s life, if the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy and have the child despite his wishes. In this case, he’s providing financial support which is more than enough for a man who point blank said he didn’t want the pregnancy. Why should he or she suffer more for the same mistake they made together? The woman gets the ultimate choice in deciding whether or not to keep the pregnancy, but a man should get the choice of deciding whether he wants to be a father to a child he didn’t want with a woman he wasn’t married to. He shouldn’t be obligated to father this child anymore than she should be obligated to keep the pregnancy.[/quote] This is a false equivalence. Both men and women have the same opportunity (or lack thereof, if the state decides to go after them for support) not to be a parent - adoption, leaving the kid at a fire station, severing parental rights legally. Abortion is an opportunity not to [i]be pregnant[/i], a life-threatening medical condition that men cannot experience and do not have any right to opt out of for that reason.[/quote] Adoption is not a solution. Too many kids in orphanages and abusive homes already. [/quote] Truly bizarre to cheerlead deadbeat dads while demonizing adoption. Pick a lane - do you care about the quality of life for existing kids or the rights of the adults involved to be footloose and unencumbered? [/quote] The anti-adoption poster was a different person. I’m the truly pro-choice one. In my view, an unmarried man is legally equivalent to a sperm donor if the woman decides to keep a surprise pregnancy. [b]If you want a man to father your kids together, get a legal contract called a marriage certificate. As for the kids, you cannot make a man love your children if he doesn’t love you. [/b]That’s sadly even true for the children of divorced parents. In this case, the unwilling sperm donor, Paris’ husband, is providing financial support. What else do you want from him? He doesn’t love her or the kid. He didn’t agree to love them at any point. That is his choice.[/quote] Everything about this is untethered from reality. You think that you can legally force a man to father kids with you if you're married? Or is the idea that you can enforce a "make him love the issue of this union" decree if you show up with a marriage contract in court? Once you're divorced, does he no longer have to be a dad or love the kids, since he's over it and the contract is null and void? And when did your argument become about love? You can't make a woman love her child either, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Why are you so determined to make accidental pregnancy some kind of "mantrap" situation when it is just about the bare minimum legal obligation to provide for the issue of your body? We can stop this back and forth because you're just in la la land trying to create an equivalence between women's right to bodily autonomy and your idea of men's god-given right to not GAF about the consequences of their actions. These things are not the same, and it doesn't make you "truly" pro choice to think that men should be able to demand abortions for someone else's uterus, so long as they're not, like, boyfriend-girlfriend or anything![/quote] You are taking my statements and running away with them. In the case of Paris Hilton’s husband, he had an unwanted pregnancy in a casual relationship. He did not want to father the child, but financially supports her anyway. He loves Paris and married her. They have gone to great lengths to have children together. He wants to parents these children. He loves their mother and made a decision to start a family with her. He did not abandon the first child as he never made a decision to start a family with her mother and or to be her parent. There is something to be said for being the legal contract of marriage. No, you cannot force anyone to love anyone. But you do gain a lot more legal rights with a marriage contract. Furthermore, if someone agrees to be married with you, there is a far greater likelihood that he or she loves you and wants to start a family with you. That’s all I’m saying. You seem to want to vilify this guy because he doesn’t love a child he never agreed to father. I see nothing evil in his CHOICE. [/quote] +1 100% agree with this [/quote]
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