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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Jews have to control the historical land of Israel in order for Jesus to return to earth, and then Jesus will destroy the Jews along with any other non-believers.

It’s basically a story of a global holocaust of non-Christians. Good times![/quote]

Are the Jews aware of this plan? [/quote]
As a naive college student,  I was briefly a leader in a campus chapter of a national Zionist student organization.  I stopped being a Zionist

1. Because I studied Middle East history, and

2. Because I had a long talk with an IDF official who described working closely on political stuff with Christian Evangelicals, completely aware they [b]they thought we Jews would burn in hell after being wiped out in the rapture[/b]. [/quote]

Wait this is confusing, the evangelicals told the IDF official this? Why would an "evangelical" participate in such a self-sabatoging conversation. Or do you think evangelicals think this, and you are surprised, given your assumption, that an IDF offical would work with evangelicals, because you assume the IDF official had the same assumption as you?[/quote]

So a couple of things:

- The notion that everyone who doesn’t accept Jesus as their savior  is going to hell (including the Jews) is very mainstream in the evangelical movement.  Preachers like John Hager (a prominent Christian Zionist) are very clear about this.  I’ve been told multiple times that I need to be saved or I’m going to hell.

- I said to the IDF guy “You know these guys think we’re all going to hell, right?”  To which he responded something like “Who gives a f—- what these idiots think, they support us now.”

- Again, the really disturbing part of this conversation wasn’t even this — it was when he went on to tell me an anecdote about meeting with representatives of an explicitly anti-Semitic political organization to discuss cooperation.  He wasn’t very clear about who, but I recall him telling me that he told them they were “A bunch of F——ing anti-Semites” and they responded by telling him what they thought was bad about Jews in the US (like all the traditional anti-Semitic tropes).  It was really appalling to find out that this guy was meeting people like that.  [/quote]

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