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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nothing like hate for foreigners to bring people together in politics. [/quote]

I was surrounded in Rotterdam by a group of youths and almost got robbed. It was the same sort of folks who lived in the Bans Lieu in France. Basically, I’m sorry it’s not woke or politically correct to admit it, but the majority of problems are attributed to culture clash between migrants who are angry and refuse to assimilate. Even like 3rd generation. This isn’t “deprived youths in the poor areas” as the main pooblem. It’s simply a refusal or a disdain to adopt the liberal views of their host country. I get why Geert won. I’m sorry it’s so hard for people to just say it plainly. People need to fcking assimilate or stop migrating to western countries from places with backwards values.[/quote]

NP. I posted this on a different thread a whole ago and it got deleted,  but I'll try again. I was pretty pro-immigration at the start of the Syria conflict, and while in Germany to visit family, I met with some recent immigrant women from Afghanistan and Syria to provide charity and have tea.  I was absolutely floored by what they said to me and it really changed my views. They said they hated Germany, didn't want their kids to grow up in the culture, wish they didn't have to be there. I asked why they came to Germany and in short, it was a safe place for their kids and they were able to get a spot. The Syrian lady seemed dismayed that her daughter was taking so well to Germany, playing sport, taking science and math classes, etc. I asked if they had tried to integrate and they said no because of language barriers and practical challenges (child care, etc).   They said no one had ever visited them but the social worker, I was the first person to just ask to meet them. And the social worker was really tone deaf, she tried to make fun of them to me by saying one had told her that she would stay with her husband if he took another wife.  This is not a good situation, anyone who is looking at Europe with clear eyes sees a tinderbox. I mean, look at Sweden right now, it's a violent mess.  [/quote]

Thank you.  You are absolutely right.  Be prepared for the resident LWNJs to call you an "Islamaphobe" and/or racist.  Many of these immigrants HATE the western countries they've been allowed to move to, and will never, ever assimilate to western culture.  So why aren't more middle eastern countries stepping up and taking them in?  Why move to a country you hate?[/quote]

PP here, thank you. At the time that I met with those ladies, there were discussions of  having refugee camps in Jordon or a neutral area of Syria. I was against this at the time, I thought they should be able to come to the West where it is safe. I asked them their opinion of this option, and they said they would have preferred it. This made me really reevaluate my beliefs. I realized it was kind of narcissistic to think that they would love the west so much better. And it was kind of degrading to their culture that I thought that it was so disposable in their lives. I know people consider these views Islamophobic.  But I came by them by having actual conversations with middle eastern immigrants and listening to what they really want. We are doing them no favors by "rescuing" them from the nations they love, where their families live, etc. They leave behind aging parents and entire communities. These communities are not disposable in their lives.  [/quote]

First I must say you sound like a very nice and genuine person.

However, don’t you think your empirical sample size is way too small for the broad conclusions reached?

Also many Afghan and Syrian refugees have no home to go back to thanks to civil wars in those countries.

I do believe immigrants should be required to learn local languages and customs but reality is complicated.

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