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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the gun lobby and those who’ve insisted the second amendment is an individual right. This is your fault. The blood is on your hands. [/quote]

There were a lot of homicides by firearm in the city before DC v. Heller (a LOT more if you go back a decade or two), so I'm not sure I see the direct connection here.  I'll agree that the black market for illegal firearms is a real problem, and lax enforcement (and perhaps lax laws) are a major issue that needs to be addressed.  However, laying this at the feet of legal gun owners, as the OP did, is ludicrous.

If you could somehow make all firearms in civilian hands disappear overnight, I strongly believe you'd still see a lot of violence in the same areas by the same people.  Sure, it would likely be less lethal, but let's not just forget the other side of the coin here.  [/quote]

Legal gun owners should be pushing for common sense gun laws that help LEO do their job. 
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Legal DC gun owner here.  I'd LOVE to see some actual enforcement of existing laws.  That seems to be particularly lacking here lately.  I'm not sure what new laws would be needed, at least here in the District.  [/quote]

Sincere questions for you, “Mr Legal Gun Owner”:

Would you support a law that banned your ability to possess a gun, to reduce gun crime?

If not, why?

If such a law were passed, would you abide by it? Knowing that you could no longer be a gun owner?

If you wouldn’t abide by such a future law, don’t you agree that that makes you too dangerous to own a gun NOW?

I’m genuinely curious to hear your answer. I’ve never in my life known anyone who had a gun, so I find you types of people curiosities that I’d like to ponder and learn more about. [/quote]

It's me, the DC gun owner, again.  Just for the record, that wasn't me above saying your question was a logical fallacy.

With that out of the way, I'm not sure I understand the premise of your question.  Are you asking if I'd support a law that banned my ability to possess a certain type of number of firearms, or are you asking if I'd support a law that made it illegal for me (and millions of others like me) from possessing ANY firearm at all?

If it's the latter, it's really not a question based at all in the reality of public policy.  I'm not accusing you of asking it in bad faith, but it's more from ignorance of the issue, which is understandable.  If I understand what you're asking, it sounds like the implication is that making someone a felon by possession through no action on their part (law abiding one day and a felon the next due to a change in the law) is morally equivalent to someone who's a felon as a result of using the same firearm in the commission of a crime.  I reject that premise.

Also, I doubt many people would accept the premise that going door to door to confiscate firearms would actually reduce violent crime in a meaningful way, particularly without creating a whole new set of problems at the same time.  It's a bit like arguing we should reduce the speed limits on interstates to 40 mph to save lives.  It wouldn't really do what was intended in the end.

Finally, I'd just add that I seriously doubt you don't know any gun owners.  I believe you don't think you do, but I bet you do.  We're not all a bunch of rednecks and/or right wingers.

If I'm misinterpreting your question, please clarify, and I'd be happy to address it further. [/quote]

Blah blah blah TLDR, nothing but nra platitudes.

You did get at least ONE thing right though- going door-to-door and confiscating all them IS the only thing that will work. So that’s why I $$$ support any candidate willing to promote that solution.

I’m a pragmatic Progressive. Even if we outlawed all sales of guns tomorrow, that still leaves 400+ million of them in the hands of criminals, and would-be criminals, like you. So any gun control that doesn’t have a component of taking them away from the people who already have them, is a pointless do-nothing, non-starter.

We need the 28th Amendment, as well as the elimination of the 2nd amendment, and modification clauses to the 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments with regard to guns, which strips protections for individuals illegally possessing guns after they are outlawed.

It’s a very simple plan. All we are lacking as a nation is the courage to elect people who will do it.

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OK, Wayne Wheeler.  I'm sure there will be no unintended consequences to that approach.  :roll: [/quote]

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