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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is nothing new.

There are the top Ivies - a/k/a HYP.

There are the striver Ivies - Columbia and Penn.

And there are the lower Ivies - Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

The lower Ivies are still great schools with very competitive admissions.  But if HYP only have a few peers like Stanford and MIT, there are a larger number of schools, including other private universities, top state schools, and top SLACs, generally considered on par with Brown, Cornell, and Dartmouth.

That’s just the way it is, and has been for years, and no DCUM thread is going to change things. [/quote]
Things do change, however I don't think it's in the lower ivys favor. I think non ivys have gotten better at a faster rate than the ivys thus schools like Emory, NYU, WashU, Notre Dame etc are now on par with the lower ivys, which I don't think you could say that 20, even 10 years ago. [/quote]

You picked the wrong set of schools there, when you should have been referring instead to schools like Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, Williams, and Amherst instead.  Certainly not Emory, NYU or WUSL.

Now I’m just embarrassed for you.  [/quote]
Michigan has a 20% acceptance rate. Emory and NYu have the same acceptance rate as Williams and Amherst respectively. Duke Northwestern, JHU, and Chicago have always been better than Cornell, Dartmouth,  and Brown so that wouldn't have made relevant sense to my argument. Like it or not Emory, NYU, WashU, etc are lower Ivy level.[/quote]

Acceptance rate is a useless stat[/quote]

+1 Acceptance rates can be deceptive and were manipulated for a long time (which is why most major rankers no long take them into account)
In addition to top schools like Pomona and Amherst (both with acceptance rates under 10%) taking large portions of their classes early, which drives acceptances rate way down, the following schools have acceptance rates of 16% or lower:
Curtis Institute of Music 2%
Wiley College 9%
Faulkner University 13%
United States Coast Guard Academy 13%
Alice Lloyd College 16%[/quote]
Now combine acceptance rates with test scores, and yield. [/quote]
Test scores, are we living in 2005?  :lol: [/quote]

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