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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Many of the rule made by Pooes were rogue.

Abortion was  not a sin until 1500’s and many did not agree, and still don’t.

Priest only became celibate to protect the churches assets from wives and children. Agains pope made that rogue rule not Jesus.[/quote]

You are incorrect.

Abortion has always been declared a grave sin by the Church. And as for “many” disagreeing, dogmatic discernment is not the product of a popularity vote.

While it was not formally required in the universal church until the Second Lateran Council in 1239, the discipline of celibacy (not to be confused with the evangelical counsel of chastity pursuant to the vows taken by members of religious orders) grew out of a preexisting and very old tradition that clerics should abstain from sexual relations.  Even in the Eastern Church, where priests are permitted to marry, Bishops come only from among the celibate clergy.

The fundamentalist doctrine that anything that Jesus is not reported to have said is somehow “rogue” is erroneous and unsupportable. Jesus specifically gave his Apostles the authority to bind and to loose and to govern the Church. Scripture (which itself says it is incomplete) has always been interpreted in light of tradition.

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The Church did change its position on when life begins. So it did change its position on abortion.[/quote]

No. Abortion has always been considered a grave sin, regardless of theological debates about ensoulment, quickening, etc.[/quote]

"Regardless of" is doing a lot of slippery work there, and, of course, you know that.[/quote]

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