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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]MS English teacher here. It infuriates me to read about the HS teacher not providing feedback to students. How are they supposed to improve? I chunk my students’ writing assignments and provide feedback at each step. Yes, it takes time, but helping students become better writers is a big part of my job - and I knew it would be when I chose this role. Over the years, I have figured out different systems to streamline my workflow; it is still time consuming, but it’s important. The “students who want feedback can seek me out” excuse is lazy at best and discriminatory at worst. Shame on you, PP.[/quote]

Oh nonsense. The kind of feedback OP wants, yes , that warrants a conference. I am an English teacher too so when you mention you’ve stream lined your workflow I know what you mean: you’re only choosing certain skills to feedback on . If OP and her son or any kid want personalized in depth feedback, you and I both know it’s better for them to come talk to us so we can provide that than it is for us to spend 20 minutes on *every single paper* providing it when 99% of the kids don’t read it.

[b]I truly don’t understand how parents in this forum expect their kids to be college ready. How will your freshman college student navigate professor officer hours if they apparently can’t and won’t even take 10 minutes out of their study hall block to go get feedback with their teacher in a writing conference? [/quote]

THIS IS UTTER NONSENSE.
A 15 year old is not a mini college student.  If teachers aren't teaching kids to do this then they will not be college ready at 18 or 19.  Don't give me this crap about being college ready as a 9th or 10th grader.  That is lazy and ridiculous.  [/quote]

What?? 15 year olds can DRIVE! They have jobs! And you think they can’t go talk to their teacher about an assignment during study hall?? I’m baffled. I really am. [/quote]

What are you baffled by?  Yes 15 year olds can have jobs.  But to expect a 15 year old student to act the same as a 19 year old student is utterly ridiculous.[/quote]

Nobody said they had to act like a 19 year old. We said if they can’t talk to their teacher during study hall about an assignment at age 15, how do you expect them to navigate office hours alone at age 18 when they go to college. The first scenario is a routine part of high school- if parents now think kids can’t manage that , I truly don’t know how they think their kids can handle going to office hours for a professor they barely even know when they are in college in 3 more years. [/quote]

College professor here. I take a lot of issue with the idea that students should have to come to office hours to get ANY feedback on their work. That is wholly unacceptable. Some of the highest achieving students are also the most anxious. They aren’t just going to “get over it” and suddenly become a squeaky wheel. Office hours are for students who want more than the standard amount of feedback that can be expected for assignments. Timely feedback is critical to learning and you are failing your students if your aren’t doing that.

College students fill out anonymous evaluations of their professors at the end of the semester. One of the questions asks about feedback. We would be eviscerated if we didn’t give any feedback on papers. And some profs teach hundreds of students in multiple sections with little to no grading help. They aren’t getting long breaks during the day to grade; they’re teaching or in meetings or commuting. They are just working around the clock for similar pay as HS teachers in order to do right by their students. [/quote]

Ok no offense but college isn’t the topic here. In high school, teachers have planning and kids have an entire block for study hall. If the feedback or grade given isn’t illuminating enough, there IS time in a high school schedule to go ask your teacher for a conference to ask questions. You want to revise the college setup but that’s a different discussion. [/quote]
Again. Fully missing the point of the post. Making an appointment to ask questions is fine. 
The fact that making an appointment to get ANY SORT IF FEEDBACK AT ALL is the problem. There are many kids who are literally getting NOTHING back from teachers except a score in SIS. Why does anyone think this is acceptable?[/quote]

That may have been how the post started but several pages later it’s evolved and that’s what some of these individuals are commenting on.[/quote]

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