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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25. [/quote]

Where are you getting 18% from? It’s definitely lower. The acceptance rates from last year at top schools show Notre Dame is on par with many of the best colleges.

Schools significantly more selective than Notre Dame:

Harvard (3%)
Stanford (4%)
Caltech (4%)
Columbia (4%)
MIT (4%)
Duke (5%)
Yale (5%)
Brown (5%)
Princeton (6%)
UPenn (6%)
Dartmouth (6%)
Vanderbilt (6%)
Northwestern (7%)
Cornell (7%)
John’s Hopkins (7%)

Notre Dame’s Peer Group Acceptance Rates:

Rice (9%)
UCLA (9%)
Tufts (10%)
WashU (11%)
Carnegie Mellon (11%)
Berkeley (11%)
Georgetown (12%)
[b]Notre Dame (13%)[/b]
Emory (16%)
UNC (17%)
Georgia Tech (17%)
UMich (18%)[/quote]

No horse in this race but I think this basically reaffirms my existing impression. Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc. are still in a different league than Notre Dame, and instead their peer set is more like WashU, Georgetown, and Emory. Those are great schools too but not quite the level of the first grouping.[/quote]

Most of these schools (except for Georgetown) can’t be compared to Notre Dame in terms of acceptance rates because Notre Dame has no ED. John’s Hopkins is more selective at 7%? Maybe. Maybe not. John’s Hopkins has 2 rounds of ED. If Johns Hopkins only had EA like Notre Dame, it would also have a double digit acceptance rate. The same is true for Chicago (more so, as Chicago has 2 rounds of ED and 1 round of EA — unique for a top 20 school).

As for Georgetown, it is more selective than Notre Dame and several schools in your so-called top admissions tier. Why? It is literally the only selective college that has no ED and does not favor it’s EA applicants at all over its RD applicants in admissions. Between that and Georgetown not having the common app, you can safely say it’s properly adjusted admissions rate would probably be more selective than, say, Chicago.[/quote]

The EA thing is has pros and cons for notre dame. They end up having more early applicants and being more selective in the early round since more people will naturally apply EA. However, their EA yield is lower than it would be if they did ED, so overall it's probably a wash. And the self-selecting applicants to ND help them with yield because for a lot of Catholic students it's their dream school[/quote]
I am not at all sure what you are trying to say. EA at Notre Dame is less — not more - selective than it’s RD round. And if you think it is a “wash” that Notre has no ED in terms of its overall acceptance rate, you simply don’t understand the impact of ED on overall admission rates.[/quote]

What I'm saying is you are automatically assuming Notre Dame would overall become much more selective if they had ED instead of EA. What I'm saying it EA has pros and cons. They have to accept more because their yield will be lower in EA, [i]but[/i] they also get more applicants because more people will apply EA than ED. If Notre Dame switched to ED, instead of receiving the 11,163 EA applicants that they did this year, they would receive closer to ~5000 ED applicants because naturally less people are comfortable committing on the spot if they get in. Fortunately for Notre Dame they have the Catholic loyalty so their yield is pretty high anyways, and they probably don't feel the need to do ED. If they really wanted to play the acceptance rate game, they could become like UChicago and offer EA, ED1, and ED2 and accept very few in RD. Maybe they'll do that.[/quote]

Another important distinction is Notre Dame is restricted early action not "plain" early action: kids can only apply to early other schools that are non-binding (so essentially state schools). So different than, say UVA non-restrictive EA, where a lot of kids at my child's HS apply EA, in addition to their binding ED app.  So even though non-binding, kids can't apply to an Ivy or ED SLAC as well as Notre Dame REA.[/quote]
Notre Dame allows you to apply early to any private school you want — just not early decision. It is the SCEA monopoly of HYPS which prohibits applying early action to any private school — not Notre Dame or Georgetown. Hence you can apply to Notre Dame, Georgetown, Richmond, Macalester, USC etc. EA. The SCEA schools are downright evil in terms of their prohibiting other private early applications; Georgetown and Notre Dame are not.[/quote]

Notre Dame is restrictive early action: "student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may not apply to any college or university (private or public) in their binding Early Decision 1 program."  Kids cannot apply to any ED schools or any SCEA schools.  So, while less prohibitive than SCEA, way more restrictive than regular EA. [/quote]
To be clear: from Notre Dame’s standpoint, you can apply to SCEA schools. It is the SCEA schools which prohibit applying to one of them and Notre Dame. This is not Notre Dame’s fault; it is the SCEA schools’ fault. REA is much less prohibitive than SCEA. Moreover, it is only “way more restrictive than regular EA” if one is otherwise applying ED, which, statistically speaking, is the minority of applicants. Thus, for most applicants, there is no difference between REA and EA. [/quote]

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