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No one ever wants to admit this but the AMC is definitely a test you can figure out with practice. Now if a kid is figuring out the tricks on his own that’s talent. I say this as a parent of a child who is great at math, algebra I before 6th, aops student, yada yada yada. IMO it’s all training. [b]I wonder if that’s a more eastern way of looking at high achievement though.[/b] [/quote]

There is a huge difference in the philosophies.  Americans love the idea of "natural talent."  A more eastern philosophy would celebrate the hard work and resulting achievement much moreso than natural talent.  No one ever wants to admit this, [b]but unless you're at the extremely elite levels in math, music, sports, art, or whatever,[/b] it's generally all about training rather than natural talent.  [/quote]

Yes, talent is a necessary prerequisite at the highest levels, but training is vastly more important for doing well at the highest level. The kids at or near the top train for hours a day, every day. A significant number of kids could do well on the AMCs just on natural talent with minimal training (obviously not most, but not just the rare few). On the other hand, it's virtually impossible to do really well on the higher levels of competitions without extensive training. But I agree in general that western culture wants to put more value on "natural talent" than training/hard work than they should.[/quote]
There is an eastern European who trained his 3 daughters right from early ages for chess. All 3 ranked in the top 15. Two of them in the top 6 I think. [/quote]
Wow! Can you imagine the reaction if someone tried that today? They might as well be the worst, most houthousing tiger parent in the world![/quote]

Yes indeed.

This is the person I am talking about

https://gcpawards.com/blog/laszlo-polgar-the-man-who-raised-three-child-prodigies

Somewhere in the 1960s, Laszlo Polgar presented a theory that great performers are made and not born. He believed that he could raise a genius himself. When he tried to explain his intentions, the local government asked him to see a psychiatrist.

The first daughter, Susan Polgar was a top rank player at the age of 15. By 1984, she had become the top-ranked female chess player in the world at the tender age of 15. She was the first woman to qualify for the Men’s World Championship in 1986. Susan went on to achieve the coveted title of a grandmaster in 1991. She became the first woman in history to win the Chess triple crown.

Sofia Polgar, the second daughter, became sixth top female chess player.

The third daughter, Judit Polgar became the greatest female chess player ever. In 2002, Judit beat Kasparov, after which he walked out of the table with angst apparent on his face. The incident made him change his opinion about the effect of gender on Chess.

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