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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yep... best way to hide their discrimination.[/quote] What discrimination? You do understand it's perfectly acceptable to accept students with lower test scores? For whatever reason they want? And that choosing to have just a disproportionate amount of Asian students versus a GROSSLY disproportionate amount of Asian students is perfectly valid discrimination, right? It's discimination in the sense that when you choose red wine to drink over white wine, you've discriminated against the white wine. Oh well. It doesn't make it wrong.[/quote] The reason these schools are getting rid of test scores is that they see the writing on the wall- there are cases before the Supreme Court where schools very clearly discriminated against certain races (Asians and Whites) in favor of other racial/ethnic groups, and the court seems set to strike down these discriminatory policies. And the plaintiffs made their cases based on test scores and grades of applicants who were treated differently based on race. The numbers showed very clearly that Asian applicants in particular with high test scores were discriminated against in favor of Black and Hispanic applicants with significantly lower test scores. These schools want to get rid of test scores (and probably grades), because getting rid of objective numbers in favor of subjective acceptance criteria will allow them to more easily discriminate without leaving evidence that is easily discoverable the next time they get sued for racial discrimination. It's a pretty transparent ploy. [/quote] It's not "discrimination" to drop test scores when test scores themselves discriminate. [/quote] No, it's illegal discrimination if a school drops test scores in an attempt to make it easier to discriminate based on a protected class (such as race). It's pretty easy to see through what they're trying to do. They know their current discriminatory practices likely won't survive this court challenge, so they're trying to come up with a way to discriminate that doesn't leave such an obvious evidentiary trail. And the evidence that tests discriminate based on race is incredibly weak. The logic is circular- certain minority groups don't do as well on tests, so the tests must be discriminatory. [/quote] The evidence that the tests are discriminatory is stronger than the nonexistent evidence that supports your first paragraph. [/quote] Given how unfriendly the current 6-3 court appears to be towards racially-based admission policies, I'm pretty comfortable that there are going to be a lot of losses in court for universities going forward. Eventually, after spending millions of dollars in legal fees, they'll probably learn their lesson. Granted, the people who populate admissions departments aren't typically the sharpest crayons in the box, so it will require the adults who pay the bills at universities to step in. [/quote] So, no more college football, then. (Football players are disproportionately not Asian, you know.)[/quote] Is there evidence that college football players are recruited in a racially discriminatory manner? That uses to be the case (some schools refused to recruit black players, for example), but college football has recruited based purely on merit for decades now. [/quote] Their test scores suck. So how is that fair?[/quote] This guy scored 790 on the match section. Went to the NFL. Then went back to chool for his doctorate. [img]https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/styles/article_hero_image/public/archive/assets_article/philadelphia/2014/02/21/uspresswire-psu-john-urschel.jpg[/img] [/quote]
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