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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.[/quote]

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars.  But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons.  We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank).  I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea.  I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter?  What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country?  What if he turns on another one next?  He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?[/quote]

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?[/quote]

Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.[/quote]

??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.[/quote]

If Russia stopped fighting, the Ukraine would go right back to shelling civilians in the Donbas, like they did from 14-22. [/quote]

You mean after Russia sent in it's little green men and declared the region independent? [/quote]

You mean after the lawful government was overthrown in a coup? People are just supposed to be ok with that and not object? [/quote]

Wrong.  You realize you are repeating Kremlin propaganda and perpetuating a lie, right? [/quote]

Propaganda in this war is going both ways, and censorship around Ukraine in MSM is strong.  In fact, there are things you are simply no longer allowed to say about Ukraine that you were allowed to, as recently as in 2014.

For instance, these Guardian articles would have never been allowed to run today:

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Well for one thing the current leader of Ukraine’s “regime” is Jewish. Not a neo-nazi. [/quote]

So it is your contention, is it not, that with Zelensky's ascent to power all neo-Nazi elements (that the Western commentators freely acknowledged in 2014) have vanished?

Or is it your contention that neo-Nazi elements simply cannot coexist with a Jewish president?[/quote]

It’s my contention that there are neo-Nazi elements everywhere unfortunately including in the US and Russia where they might go by a different name.

It’s also my contention that Ukraine 20th century history is filled with bloodshed, death, and destruction, brought about primarily by anti-democratic authoritarian thugs who ran either Russia/USSR or Germany.  The Jews of Ukraine Galicia/Lithuania/Latvia/Poland/Russia, etc were especially hit hard by non-Jews from all sorts of ethnic groups some of whose descendants are still filled with raging anti-Semitism. Yes also in Russia. Why do you think so many Russian and Soviet Jews left in the 1970’s, 1980’s and 1900’s?

Bloodlands is an illuminating, heartbreaking book. I suggest you read it. [/quote]

Snyder is a propagandist.

Everyone able to leave Russia in the 1970s and 1980s has left, not just the Jews.  It's just that the Jews could use the door nobody else could.

It is quite charming you mention the Jews of Ukraine and the Baltics "hit especially hard" by non-Jews, really, what you mean is "locals".  Has Ukraine ever addressed the history of its extensive collaboration with the Nazis?  Have the Baltics? Especially the Baltics? The only countries in Europe where SS veterans still march in celebration parades? The Baltics that suppress and censor local authors who want to acknowledge what happened?  The Baltics that squashed the memorial exhibit of the Salaspils concentration camp FOR CHILDREN in the UN on the pretense that it paints the country in a bad light? Damn right it does but does that mean it shouldn't be acknowledged? So, don't talk about the thugs who ran the USSR, the antisemitism in Ukraine and the Baltics is very very native. [/quote]

Ukrainians fought the Soviets with Germans because the Soviets had starved them to death on the previous decade.

This whole anti semitism thing is partly pearl clutching.[/quote]

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