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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Part of the why is that we have choices, so we want to make choices that align with our values whether that's money or joy.  A PP mentioned being part of a blue-collar union.  If you grew up knowing you'd be a farmer like your dad, or go work at the GM car factory in Detroit like all your uncles, you weren't thinking about fulfillment.  You knew it was the path you were destined for and focused on financial stability.  Not wealth, just stable middle class life.

Knowing I don't have to follow in my parents' footsteps I have the ability to make life choices.  Our young people are being guided in schools that academics is important because it opens doors and unlocks roads to fulfillment.  If that isn't coupled with hard conversations about being self-supporting, being able to save for retirement, raise children and so on then it's easy to get lost in the airy-fairy part of joy and making an impact.  [/quote]

You do realize it’s possible to have both an “airy-fairy” career that makes an impact AND the ability to live comfortably? I have one of those jobs, and I’m still able to save for my kids’ college and my own retirement. I may have to sit in coach when I travel, but that isn’t a problem to me since that seat ends up at the same destination as the first class seat.

It’s extremely shortsighted to think people in lower paying professions can’t have things like financial security. I’m living proof we can. [/quote]

Seriously a cop and govt worker here. We do all those things too. We also have advanced educations. The myopic view of those making higher incomes is bizarre.[/quote]

Ivy mentor here.  I think the real issue is that these kids want the airy-fairy job without realizing there is a lot of grunt work in everything to get there.  I promise you they would consider your cop and government worker positions extraordinarily pathetic (esp the cops) because of social justice.  I don't disagree with them, I don't think either of your professions are anything but incredibly self-serving, and then you're too poor to even donate enough to make a difference.

That being said, they don't want your jobs.  They want a job defunding the police that lets them be the leader, work random hours, and also pays their bills.  That just doesn't happen.  If you truly want to disrupt you suck it up make the most money possible and then go ham.[/quote]

The problem here is trying to teach the soulless what it's like to have a soul. It's like teaching a 1st grader calculus.

People don't do jobs that are meaningful so somebody else thinks what they do is meaningful. Until you become less of a narcissist you won't understand that.

Of course, it's self-serving. My H grew up in a catholic church that destroyed many lives and the thing that drove him was to be a child abuse investigator. It served his soul.

So is art, or music, or teaching... nobody said it didn't serve the self's soul.

Lol, donate enough to make a difference.

My cop H also believes in defund the police effort, cops should not be in schools or act as crossing guards or disciplinarians or therapists. They should be cops, the next generation is right. We both would support somebody taking that effort across the goal line. Nobody understands the problem with policing like a highly educated cop.

There are jobs that will allow them to be leaders, work random hours and also pay their bills. If you are too dense to know that ... again, you should not be a mentor.

Tell your Ivy you only want to mentor people that want to be doctors/lawyer/finance, you are not equipped to mentor everybody.

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