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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] If you’re white or Asian, student is going to do well test optional at the top schools unless they have something else exceptional on their resume. If urm or first gen, likely to do well with test optional. [/quote] Do you have any stats or even one quote from an AO to support this?[/quote]

Look at the increase in URM and first gen admissions in the past two years of test optional and do the math.  No school is going to say this out loud, it’s how they are going to get around the imminent end of AA.  They are not going to invite the next series of law suits.

And this is what we were told by two different sets of counselors, one school, one private.

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[b]Yep.  It's a completely rational theory, and supported by circumstantial evidence, but no university is going to release the data to verify that it's true.[/b]  [/quote]

This.  of course it's true.  All you have to do is go back and read the results here in this forum for particular schools Ed, EA and RD results and where TO is mentioned you will see that it gives a leg up only to URM, first-generation, etc.  Now no college or university is actually going to tell you that, but that is what is happening.  That's why the UC system has done away with testing - it knows what SCOTUS is going to do and knows this is the way (not requiring testing) that it can still engage in social engineering.  Colleges and universities in America don't want a meritocracy.  They want to be able to do social engineering.  So getting rid of TO is a step in the right direction, according to them.  Read up on this. Chronicle of Higher Education and other sources.  Do not believe what admissions directors tell you - they are - above all else - now marketing people for the college.  Their job isn't to tell you (the applicant's parents) the truth - their job is to push the college up USNWR rankings whether that be just by lying to you to get your kid to apply in order to reject them (thereby increasing the numbers of applicants and pushing down the acceptance percentage) or other means.[/quote]

This may be true at the “top” schools, but there are May kids and lower tier schools that are using TO to improve their stats.  Look at the admissions test score averages, they have gone way up.  Have those schools attracted better candidates ?  No.  They are telling students below the midpoint not to submit.  That increases their average because they don’t have to count (and never seen) the lower scores.  They are admitting mostly the same students, just TO so they look better.  I’ve been to several second and third tier schools lately and they have all said don’t submit unless you are at the 50% score.

So your race conspiracy theory only holds true at the top 25-50 schools.[/quote]

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