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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When person after person after person "hates" a religion, maybe you defenders should ask yourself - could there actually be anything about these religions that deserves the hatred?  Could it be that there really is something reprehensible about these religions?[/quote]

Sure, the church leadership is reprehensible.

But your broad brush of hatred includes the many concerned catholics who don't like their own leadership (some of whom are posting on this thread), and the wonderful nuns themselves. These people are part of the Catholic church too, but you ignore them completely.

Hatred and prejudice are broad brush problems. One symptom being a categorical refusal to understand nuance.[/quote]

I agree with this.  And I think that many Catholics understand perfectly well why person after person "hates" the Catholic church.  Maybe you need to think about why people, even though they see the deep problems, still love the church.  Why, for example, they love these nuns and would not desert them.  The nuns were criticized for "doing too much work for the poor".  Jesus I am sure is watching those nuns now from heaven and will support them.  He knew you can never do "too much work for the poor".   Of course, it may take a very long time.  Maybe the people who "hate" and flee need a little patience.  Whether we like it or not, God sometimes works very slowly.  All the Catholic priests, monks, nuns, etc I know freely admit that the leadership of the church has had problems in the past, that it has done very bad things (for example, in the middle ages).  But it has also done great things.  I believe Catholic charities is the most efficient charity in the world.  I think of all the brave priests and nuns who have died in South America standing up for the rights of the poor.  Maybe no other church can offer up such a record of evil, but can any church offer up such a long, sustained, powerful record of good?  Our world is a very complex place.  If you refuse to deal with evil, you may find yourself also unable to do good.  We could all be autonomous people just looking after ourselves and refusing to pay our taxes, our tithes, because somebody might do something with that that is evil, and we can just hang out with people who believe exact what we believe, and we can cast off everybody and everything that offends us and everybody who sins.  We can refuse to try to help people change.  We can bail when the going gets tough.  Or we can hang in there and pray and fight, no matter how bad it gets.  I know which I prefer.  I'm part of this church, and I'm not going to leave it.  I am going to pray for the nuns and for the value of their great work to be recognized.[/quote]

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