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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Geez, are you the same poster who went on and on about feeling duped by that Shen Yun show? Atheist here, and I think you need to get a grip and let it go. Who the heck cares whether your belief system is associated with the devil in some people’s religions? Since I don’t believe in it, whatever, it’s like being associated with the tooth fairy or something.[/quote]
They 100% are. And for those that are confused, no one in OP’s thread in the Entertainment forum said he didn’t have morals. [b]You do not need to be religious to have morals[/b]. Otherwise we wouldn’t have millions of stories of religious men acting without morals.[/quote]
Thank you for admitting the bolded part. I never claimed anything about what was said on the other thread. I just wanted to separate this discussion from that thread because there were several people saying that atheists should not be offended by any association with the Devil (because the Devil doesn't exist for them). It happens that I personally don't agree with that line of thought. [/quote]

DP. From a religious point of view, your morals are meaningless. They likely have a teological origin rooted in observations and outcomes. In most, I hesitate to say all because I am not familiar with every religion, morals are derived from a divine source, either through enlightenment or direct communication with their Supreme Being. This deontological origin is troubling to some, because there is no why. It's just the rules that your religion asks you to follow. From a religious point of view, if your morals don't come from God, the only other choice is the hubris of man. To believe you can know the mind of God is sacrilegious in many religions.[/quote]
Thank you for the additional background. Now back to the original question: should an atheist feel offended by the association with the Devil, or this association is just a tenderhearted, compassionate compliment?[/quote]
I’m not atheist so let me flip this in order to answer. If an atheist told me that I’m a moron for believing in God, that there is no God, God ruins the world, my afterlife is just being worm food, etc, then no I won’t be offended. I don’t care - you can believe what you want. I’m happy and am assured with my faith. [/quote]
If you want to flip the question, let's add some fictitious background. The atheists were in charge of the world and they prosecuted you for your beliefs throughout the history. You could be imprisoned, tortured, and / or burned alive because your beliefs. After millennia of prosecution, you are finally free to talk about your God and practice your religion. But there are still those people who call you a moron for believing in God, that there is no God, God ruins the world, my afterlife is just being worm food. [b]Would that offend you?[/b][/quote]
No. As I said, I don’t care - you can believe what you want. I’m happy and am assured with my faith. [/quote]
Can you see why an atheist might be offended by association with the Devil though?[/quote]

At some point, you have to care only about yourself and your own beliefs and not care what other people think. People are different and have different beliefs. We can’t control other people’s beliefs: we just have to live our own lives the way we choose. [/quote]
You may be able to live your life the way you choose, but not everyone can. Do you remember the fight to keep religion out of science classes? There is a supermajority of religious nuts on the supreme court who started ruling based on their religious beliefs. It is easy to suggest that everyone can live their lives the way they choose when that is clearly not an option. [/quote]

Not thinking and worrying about what other people think of you has nothing to do with the Supreme Court. [b]You can’t change other people’s beliefs, just as they can’t change yours.[/b] Not everyone is going to like you or agree with you and you are not going to like or agree with everyone else. It is life and you can’t go around getting upset that everyone else is not exact Like you or the other way around. [/quote]
That is not true. I never thought that the position of the furniture in the room mattered. Then I heard about Feng Shui and I started to place my furniture accordingly. After a while I figured out what a nonsense I believed in and I stopped paying attention to the way I arrange my furniture. People change their beliefs all the time. [/quote]

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