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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone complaining about the smell in NYC clearly did not live there in the 70s, 80s or early 90s and must only remember the disneyfication of Times Square in the late 90s/early aughts.   NYC has always had the distinctive smell of urine mixed with subway steam and pretzels/nuts.  Sometimes I catch the smell in DC and it takes me right back!

God, I remember the smell in one particular subway station (maybe under Sax 5th Avenue?) was like all the pee in the world came there to die.

Agree San Fran has gotten worse since the 80s/90s except the 
Mission is probably better—that used to be mostly drug addicts and runaways being trafficked before SF got all fancy with the tech boom.

I feel like part of the problem may be short memory—cities had this prettification and lots of rich people moving in over the past 20 years …. But it’s probably not the natural state for cities.  Go back 100 years and there was open sewage on the lower east side and people dying in the gutter.  So it’s definitely nicer than it was then!  I hope that doesn’t make me sound callous—I think people should care about this.  But to act like it’s some recent phenomenon—shit in city streets—is really myopic.[/quote]

As a poverty lawyer, I won’t say you are wrong. But, I will ask why you so quickly breezed past the progress that was made between 2000-2020 in nyc, SF, and elsewhere.

Google housing first. It worked, until it didn’t. And we should ask why.

Sure, there’s covid. But there’s something else. A growing economic inequality coupled with turning a blind eye to human suffering. I mean, it’s gotten so bad that my liberal friends and liberals on dcum are beyond being desensitized; people are seemingly defending the sad state of things that everyone should be shocked by.

This isn’t normal. It was okay in the 70s and 80s, and it’s not okay now. [/quote]

DP. From a historical perspective, it is normal. People with money and options have not chosen to live inside a city for most of history. There was a short renaissance for like 20 years, which is a blip in time. The rich have long hid their wealth by buying hidden country estates, unseen from the road by trees and distance, away from people.

I dont think people mean to be insensitive.  This is a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation.  If you take people involuntarily into custody, you violate their rights. If you leave them in the city, you slowly erode the safety and vibrance of the city and chase out people of means. If you offer housing on a voluntary basis, the housing is quickly destroyed and becomes a blight on the same level as actual homlessness. And given the urgency of other issues, people arent willing to invest in this seemingly unsolvable, vexing problem.  [/quote]

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